D&D 5E What the Weaponmaster needs in 5e, and how to make it happen.

[Tony Vargas]

1. The "depth" of 4e fighter powers is overrated.
2. Recharge mechanics (encounter/daily/short rest/long rest/superiority dice) for fighter powers are narratively incongruous.

Wasn't asking for reasons why the Weaponmaster was Wrongbadfun.

Some ideas:

Ability as a core class feature to get improved fighting styles or stances, and swap between them.

Abilities based on weapons, or features that make specific weapons or weapon groups better, similar to the weapon feats.

Evocative of the Dragon Mag Weaponmaster build.

BM style maneuvers as a core class feature, and thus twice as much of it.
A few "free" maneuvers that are at will.

I was thinking maybe something along those lines, yes. Maneuvers aren't a bad system in concept, just not too developed. I'm not too sure about CS dice as the (or the only?) way of managing them, though.

Could be combined with the stance idea or improved fighting style idea. Each stance has a passive benefit and an at will maneuver you can only use while in that stance.

Stances have seemed like an interesting idea since Bo9S, but I'm not sure they've ever quite panned out. In essence, they're a bit lick concentration, locking out other stances...

 

[Quickleaf]

Wasn't asking for reasons why the Weaponmaster was Wrongbadfun.

You misinterpret me.

You "hoped to spark some ideas", so I was including ideas on how to improve upon past ideas...which is what you're looking for, yeah?

 

[Tony Vargas]

You misinterpret me.

Sorry, you lost me when you invoked 'dissociative mechanics.'

 

[Quickleaf]

Sorry, you lost me when you re-phrased 'dissociative mechanics.'

Apparently you are looking for something specific, but I'm not clear on what. I hope you generate the dialogue you're looking for. Finding innovative ways to express the fighter is always interesting. Since it seems like your goals are different than where I'm coming from, I'll bow out of your thread.

 

[Tony Vargas]

I'll bow out of your thread.

Thank you.

 

[Remathilis]

You misinterpret me.

You "hoped to spark some ideas", so I was including ideas on how to improve upon past ideas...which is what you're looking for, yeah?

No, he's looking for vindication that the 4e fighter* needs to be its own unique class in 5e because the 5e fighter cannot possibly do what it did. Agree with him or face a one week ban.

* I look forward to threads on why the Templar, Scoundrel, and Arcanist need to be their own classes as well.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

For inspiration, in the risk of repeating myself from the warlord threads, there's a weapon master as a figher arcehtype in AiME that grants:
Style focus: the fighting style you choose at lvl 1 get extra things.
Masteries: more or less like warlock's invocations (your weapon becomes legendary, you choose a specific nemesis, you can challenge your companions to keep up with your kill quota etc)

I'd take some of those things, mix them with the UA fighters with the Rapid Attack features and the extra AoO to create the base class. For archetypes I'd try to modify the UA weapon feats into subclasses features instead.

 

[Tony Vargas]

No, he's looking for vindication that the 4e fighter*

Close! Someone on the Warlord threads mentioned that 'no one'* had complained for want of a 4e fighter, and it reminded me, "yeah, the fighter wasn't exactly my favorite class in 4e, like it was in 3.5, but there really was a /lot/ cut to squeeze the weaponmaster into the battlemaster...."

I look forward to threads on why the Templar...

It'd be strictly inferior to a 5e Cleric, so don't see that happening. "Yeah, I want a cleric, but with, like, way fewer spells that do less... "

..Scoundrel..

Possibly, but I can't work up a lot of enthusiasm on behalf a striker. Someone else'll have to step up there.

...and Arcanist need to be their own classes as well.

Wow, like the Cleric but moreso! "Yeah, I want a Wizard, but, with like, all the crappy non-combat cantrips for free, absolutely no more than 4 spell slots ever, and unable to ever cast the same non-cantrip spell twice in a row..." "Why not just play a Wizard and not use most of his slots?" "Uh... 4e 4ever! Fight the power! I'm not going back, you can't make me take the meds! I have rights!"

there's a weapon master as a figher arcehtype in AiME

I'm not familiar with the acronym. Is this a d20 game or something?

...are ya shilling it maybe, a little? S'okay.












* thing about getting on line and saying 'no one has....' someone will.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

I'm not familiar with the acronym. Is this a d20 game or something?

...are ya shilling it maybe, a little? S'okay.

Sorry. Adventure in Middle-Earth.

edited to add: I'm not familiar with the expression ''shilling it'' , care to explain?

 

[Tony Vargas]

Sorry. Adventure in Middle-Earth.

edited to add: I'm not familiar with the expression ''shilling it'' , care to explain?

Oh, right, of course. I'm not a huge Tolkien fan, but it's starting to sound like it has some stuff worth looking at.

(shilling = promoting .... it's a little negative I'm afraid, but I meant it tongue-in-cheek, sorry if I offended)