D&D 4E A gathering of Martial Controllers - what do you think

[Garthanos]

Yeah, well, that whole "Big Fist of Ur" thing may be apocryphal anyway, its not like I can decipher ancient Sumerian clay tables myself, that's for sure! Someplace I have a copy of Gilgamesh with the usual prefaces and whatnot, which is probably where I got that from. I should dig it out and see what it actually says. Probably been 20 or 30 years since I actually read it.

Well the modern translations and elaborations by fiction writers are more fun... all though I did read the literal translations too. (So much was missing damn it)

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

Well the modern translations and elaborations by fiction writers are more fun... all though I did read the literal translations too. (So much was missing damn it)

Some of it is a bit obscure in the translations. I suspect a lot of terms had multiple meanings, or we haven't quite figured out their exact definitions, because some of it was kinda weird. Also I think they weren't writing to be clear, they were writing a sort of recipe for reciting the story in maybe some sort of specific context. Hard to say. But yeah, the more modernized interpretations certainly are easier to understand, though its hard to say if they're very true to the material or not!

 

[Tony Vargas]

Well, our fantasy is mostly drawn from societies where swords were the weapons of the elite. They were not that way because they were the ultimate battlefield weapon, but because they were the most practical and utilitarian side-arm and weapon of self-defense.

And they were hard to make &expensive, so status symbols.

I think another problem is that swords, axes, etc all got enhanced versions in AV1, but polearms never got that treatment.

There was the Greatspear, +3 prof & reach. .

 

[Garthanos]

And they were hard to make &expensive, so status symbols.

Norse Ulfberht Rune Swords were actually expensive for good reason

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_treating#Hypoeutectoid_alloys

There seem evidence it was also faked by others to exploit the reputation and make money on it.

 

[Garthanos]

I thinkt need enhanced mobility and effects that affect adjacent enemies during that movement for a fighter controller or rogue...
@TonyVargas

Smashing through stance
if a martial power allows you to shift increase the distance you can shift by 2 squares,
additionally you may shift an enemy 1 square to pass through their previously occupied square.

Spread the pain class feature... ummm something something something allows adjacent multiple enemies during a move to be affected by the same impairing conditions the power induces.... this isnt going to work coherently yadah yadah


OK that does it no more generalized goo for me.


LOL

 

[Tony Vargas]

Something I liked in your descriptions was the use of keyword Martial you wrote things so that somebody does rogue or warlord or whatever multi-classing would get abilities compatible with each other....

One of the features of designing controllery Martial powers might be looking at controller powers from mage and modifying in ways that make them martial it might be using weapon reach / range (for instance short range / medium rarely long)

I'd considered doing that back on the Martial Controller Underground, but figured that it would make too many heads explode, and I didn't need the wrongful death suits, not to mention the guys that made Scanners coming after me for plagiarism.


I'm going to start on the powers. I'll post 'em in the thread, and add them to the original post...



Spinning Halberd Fighter 1
You spin your weapon around, attacking with both ends. No one is safe.
Requirement: You must be using a spear or a pole-arm with reach
At-Will
Standard Close Burst 1
Targets: Enemies in burst you can see
Attack: STR vs AC
Hit: 1[W] + STR damage - 1 per enemy targeted.


Spring Attack (fighter attack 1)
You lunge and recover so quickly your enemy has no chance to get inside the reach of your spear.
At-will, Martial, Weapon
Standard Melee Weapon
Target: one enemy
Effect: before you attack, if you have not yet moved this round, you can shift 1.
Attack: STR vs AC
Hit: 1[W]+STR
Effect: after the attack, if you have already used your move action this round, you shift 1.


Iron Javelin (fighter attack 1)
Your javelin punches through the target's shield and bends, making his movements awkward until he can remove it.
At-will, Martial, Weapon
Standard Range Weapon
special: you must use a thrown weapon
Target: one enemy
Attack: STR vs REF
Hit: target is slowed until the end of your next turn. Make a secondary attack against the same target.
Secondary Attack: STR vs AC
Hit: 1[W]+STR

 

[AbdulAlhazred]

And they were hard to make &expensive, so status symbols.
There was the Greatspear, +3 prof & reach. .

Yeah, though the spear has the issue that it lacks a lot of feat support. There are some things you can do with it, and it probably IS overall one of the best options. Still, a 'fullblade' (whatever the heck that is) just plain does more damage and has at least equally good feat support, probably better.

 

[Tony Vargas]

. Still, a 'fullblade' (whatever the heck that is) .

It's the blade you use when you're tired of half measures.

It is a completely naked blade.

It's that blade you've been wanting that never goes on sale.

It's so fully a blade that even the hilt, quillons, pommel, riccasso and grip are all just more razor sharp blade.

It's the same blade, but no longer asks if you'd like to upgrade every time you draw it.

It's Stormbringer, when he just can't eat another soul and is taking a nap.

No, wait, it's Mournblade, when he's had it up to here with fans referencing his more famous brother, even when his name makes a better pun!

... And that's why it does so much damage.

 

[Garthanos]

I'd considered doing that back on the Martial Controller Underground, but figured that it would make too many heads explode, and I didn't need the wrongful death suits, not to mention the guys that made Scanners coming after me for plagiarism.

I am already engaged it kind of works with some tweaks for a Warlord ..

Let heads explode... grabbing from Wizard and Grabbing from Cleric ...tweaking with some minor bard elements

 

[Garthanos]

I am already engaged it kind of works with some tweaks for a Warlord ..

Let heads explode... grabbing from Wizard and Grabbing from Cleric ...tweaking with some minor bard elements

[MENTION=8900]Tony[/MENTION]Vargas
it's definitely not a speedy process though

And I wonder if swapping out healing word would be appropriate to avoid the leaders can do everything...