Roll20 users; are my impressions right or wrong on this

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ERoy

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Fixed it.

Roll20 is a great site. I don't much care if Scott is pissed at them:
[video=youtube;QDydKwmrHFo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDydKwmrHFo[/video]


Try Roll20. It runs in your web browser, so it's easy to access, which is also good for your players if you start a game with them and then pull up stakes later.

I personally won't use Roll20 again. This recent incident (which NolanT never had the guts to actually apologize for) to his treatment of the Rolling20/Save Or Die guys (they went to Roll20 for sponsorship since Rolling20 had done a bunch of tutorials for them), only for NolanT to directly tell them "We don't want 5 more white guys" as the reason they won't sponsor them. Not "no thank you", but overly sexist and racist.

Nope. They'll get no more from me. It is not a great site.
 

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DM Magic

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What ever will the white men do? Poor, poor them! You can't be racist against a white person. They hold all the power. You can't be sexist against a man. They hold all the power. Reverse racism and reverse sexism is not real. While it's true that whites can experience prejudice, and non-whites can have ignorant ideas about white people, this is not racism. Nolan is white. The people who run Roll20 are white. They're not being racist when they don't want to join with yet another group of white dudes. Jesus.
 
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Ovinomancer

No flips for you!
What ever will the white men do? Poor, poor them! You can't be racist against a white person. They hold all the power. You can't be sexist against a man. They hold all the power. Reverse racism and reverse sexism is not real. While it's true that whites can experience prejudice, and non-whites can have ignorant ideas about white people, this is not racism. Nolan is white. The people who run Roll20 are white. They're not being racist when they don't want to join with yet another group of white dudes. Jesus.

Sigh. While I agree that it's ridiculous to be mad at NolanT for not sponsoring someone, regardless of the reason, please do keep the political viewpoints out of the thread. Thanks.
 


Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of VTT's in general and I think this recent fiasco was pretty badly mishandled, but all of the other business decisions that have been brought up in this thread have been perfectly sensible. They would in fact be completely unremarkable were they to not exist in a hobby with such a loudly reactionary minority niche within it.
 

Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
That someone thinks racism and sexism is "politics" is beyond hilarious. And beyond depressing.

Well, the problem is that everything, when you really break it down, is political. That's just how our society is set up. The board tends to give pretty broad leeway to political topics as they relate to issues within the gaming field, however, especially when they don't veer into personal attacks.
 

Ovinomancer

No flips for you!
Downloaded and installed. Unusable on a high-DPI display. Normal compatibility setting changes not working and I've already lost patience with it.

You may have some trouble, then. Roll20 is easy to access, but if what you're looking for is a no-frills, token and map display for IRL games, it may be too VTT for you. That and learning to get maps to 'fit' can be a bit challenging. Creating new maps on roll20 is actually painful due to it's limited layers and how it handles which images on to the front or back. You have to learn a process to build a decent map on roll20 -- backgrounds first, then floors, then walls, then decorations. If you need to make a change after that -- good luck. I actually use GIMP to build maps (but I have a lot of art and enjoy building detailed maps, so...). FG's mapping isn't much better, but it is better. But it's even more of a tightly integrated VTT.

If what you're looking for a just a way to put a map on a display and move tokens on it, you might just consider just using photoshop or GIMP straight out. You'll get the resolution you want and it will be as intensive as you want it to be. It can be as simple as opening a map and token files and having at it.

All that said, I still like roll20 over FG. It's learning curve is simpler, which aids my luddite players, while still having some advanced bits I can fiddle with (API scripts and layered macros). It's fairly easy to use. And, it's online. That's actually a big plus for me because I've had my PC go down but still been able to run my game on my wife's laptop without interruption. Sure, the service might suddenly end and I could lose everything (except my art purchases, because I buy only downloadable packs -- I highly recommend Gabrial Pickard's stuff!), but the odds of that happening are slim and the convenience is worth the risk to me. I did the whole setting up a server thing with an earlier VTT and have no desire to do so again, so FG took a hit right off the bat for me for unnecessary annoyance of setting up the server and doing port forwarding. Still, the local only feature may appeal to you since you're working locally only anyway (ie, you don't need a license for other players to play with you).

There are plusses and minuses both ways. I don't have much stake in you picking roll20, so I've no need to upsell it. Be careful of some of the cheerleaders for both services -- they're more interested in selling the service (for whatever strange reasons) than meeting your needs. You might do better to start a thread with some requirements for how you want to use the system -- what's here is a little vague.
 


Flexor the Mighty!

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That someone thinks racism and sexism is "politics" is beyond hilarious. And beyond depressing.


Just that you are giving a "political" definition of racism. Here is the Merriam Webster definition.

Definition of racism

1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race

2a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
b : a political or social system founded on racism

3 : racial prejudice or discrimination

#1 and #3 sure seem to imply that racism isn't limited to one race. Pretty much all the definitions I find are pretty much those three. You can have a racist system but the "racism is only related to a system of oppression, not actions or ideas based on bigotry or prejudice" POV is not in line with the regular dictionary definition of the word and how it was usually used until the last 20 years or so.
 

MNblockhead

A Title Much Cooler Than Anything on the Old Site
Try Roll20. It runs in your web browser, so it's easy to access, which is also good for your players if you start a game with them and then pull up stakes later.

I have an account. I need to see how easy it is to size to 1"=5' scale for use as a digital battlemap for in-person games.
 

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