D&D 5E No Magic Shops!

[Maxperson]

No idea you had. Anyways, I’ll likely forget you have in the next few days. By the way, just because I reply to your post doesn’t mean I care if the answer to my question comes from you or someone else. Everyone is more than welcome to jump in on any of my replies to anyone else. I would expect no less

This. Replies to a post are not to the person that posted. They are to everyone in the thread. That's why being able to see and respond to someone who puts you on ignore is wrong. Who cares if they have ignored me. I'm responding to the idea, not the person. The person was simply the vehicle to that idea and the quote gives context to my reply. I should be able to converse with others in the thread based on what a post who has ignored me has said.

 

[Maxperson]

So I get that the whole link to the proper quote/XP Award/mention is broken/borked/flumphed when you have blocked, or are blocked by, another ENWorld contributor. Sure I'd like to see that "fixed", but I scratch my head at the feeling that this is some kind of major inconvenience worthy of pages of griping. When I click a link and I'm not taken to the "right" place, I simply click the "View First Unread" link at the top of the page and I get to the start of the new action in that thread straight away. Then I catch up on the discussion and soon find where I was quoted or mentioned. I primarily use my laptop or the web version of the site on my phone. Am I missing something else here?

EDIT: to address the OP, complete magic shops are silly. IME players are far more satisfied when they find an item when exploring or extricate one from the BBEG than when they "buy" it. Too much gold? Go build a tower or buy a ship or finance a tavern or [insert creative idea here].

The "view first" link is also broken due to the block feature. I often have to backtrack multiple pages after hitting view first.

 

[Mistwell]

As to what my line would be...Honestly, I don’t have a set point for you. If it got anywhere close to half of posts, I’d have to do a serious review of my behavior on this forum, and consider whether I’m the problem here. My first bought wouldn’t be to assume that I’m fine and it’s the forum that should change.

When you have less than 3000 posts and you're seeing a problem in half the threads, sure. But when you have nearly 14 thousand posts, it's a matter of degree. Even the most reasonable poster here would slowly gather some blocks with 14 thousand opportunities to bother someone on a bad day.

Also I think there is a bit of victim blaming there to say an error in the system which impacts some people in a very negative way is their fault because someone else perhaps in the distant past on a bad day didn't want to see their posts. Again, if it just created an issue with THEIR posts it would be fine - it's the fact that all the system nav links break for ALL posts forever (until they unblock you) with no means to even know who did it or appeal to them to change it that is the issue. That's a vastly disproportionately negative result for the gain of the block system, and to blame the people most harshly impacted by it seems over the top.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

When you have less than 3000 posts and you're seeing a problem in half the threads, sure. But when you have nearly 14 thousand posts, it's a matter of degree. Even the most reasonable poster here would slowly gather some blocks with 14 thousand opportunities to bother someone on a bad day.

Also I think there is a bit of victim blaming there to say an error in the system which impacts some people in a very negative way is their fault because someone else perhaps in the distant past on a bad day didn't want to see their posts. Again, if it just created an issue with THEIR posts it would be fine - it's the fact that all the system nav links break for ALL posts forever (until they unblock you) with no means to even know who did it or appeal to them to change it that is the issue. That's a vastly disproportionately negative result for the gain of the block system, and to blame the people most harshly impacted by it seems over the top.

The situation you describe doesn’t exist, though. You aren’t losing half of 14 thousand posts. Not even close.

And I’ve already, repeatedly, agreed that block needs to be fixed. The notification issues aren’t a necessary component of two way blocking.

So if just not seeing the posts of the person who blocked you would be fine, let’s focus on that, instead of acting like the only way to fix that issue is to ditch blocking.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Honest question, because I don't recall you having answered it, but why is removing your content from the blocked person so important to you? I'll admit I have trouble with this because, if I ignore you I don't care what you're saying, so I don't care you can read or quote me. That's where I'm coming from -- ignore/block is an obliette I toss you into so I don't see you anymore. Internet-tough-guy bravdo aside, you have to be really annoying to hit that mark - my scroll wheel works for most people I'm not interested in reading. So, for me, blocking someone from being able to see my content is pretty low on the needs list. Having an ignore feature that legit disappears the other person vice spoiler-tagging them is pretty nice, though, I'd spring for some annoyance for that.

So, I'm curious, why is blocking vice ignoring such a quality improvement for you that you'll tolerate broken functionality (with workarounds)?

The ignore function didn’t work very well at stopping the other person from being part of my forum experience. Several times I still had to deal with people who I had ignored, because they’d read my posts and quote or tag me in reply (I don’t remember which was possible, bc I don’t dwell on past forum mechanics). They’d also read my posts and go back and forth with others in the thread about them, etc.

IRL, you can close ranks in a group and shut someone out socially using body language and social cues. In a forum, you can’t. Block is the generally accepted internet alternative.

Also, a lot of folks find it make-ones-skin-crawl creepy when someone they have ignored or otherwise “cold-shouldered” online circumvents that to read their posts. My reaction isn’t that strong, but I frankly just care a lot more about their ability to use the forums without being skeeved out by a shadow creeper than I care about someone’s sense of entitlement to view all posts on the forum always.

 

[Hussar]

And some of us, despite having literally tens of thousands of posts manage to do so without getting blocked by other posters too often.

If you are finding your board experience deteriorating significantly because of the number of people that have blocked you, umm... well... it might not be them that’s the problem.

Funny thing is I’m on my phone for the first time in ages. I wonder just how many posts I’m seeing that I normally wouldn’t.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

This. Replies to a post are not to the person that posted. They are to everyone in the thread. That's why being able to see and respond to someone who puts you on ignore is wrong. Who cares if they have ignored me. I'm responding to the idea, not the person. The person was simply the vehicle to that idea and the quote gives context to my reply. I should be able to converse with others in the thread based on what a post who has ignored me has said.

No, you shouldn’t. Because it is a reply to them. If you want your claim otherwise to be taken seriously, in spite of it being a pretty extraordinary claim, you’ll do to more than just assert it.

 

[Maxperson]

No, you shouldn’t. Because it is a reply to them. If you want your claim otherwise to be taken seriously, in spite of it being a pretty extraordinary claim, you’ll do to more than just assert it.

It's not a reply to them. It's a reply to everyone in the thread. Period. There's no other rational way to look at it on a forum where every reply can be responded to by everyone who sees it.

And I don't know what was so funny about my prior post, so you likely engaged in abuse of the laugh feature. Shame on you. I get hit with broken links(and most links are broken) multiple times every time I come to this forum, which is multiple times per day. So yes, you do need to replace "some" with "lots" in order to be accurate.

 

[Maxperson]

They’d also read my posts and go back and forth with others in the thread about them, etc.

Why do you care if others are discussing something you brought up? If you bring up a good idea, is it really some horrific experience for you if I discuss it with others?

 

[Maxperson]

If you are finding your board experience deteriorating significantly because of the number of people that have blocked you, umm... well... it might not be them that’s the problem.

Correct. It's the broken forum.