GAME OF THRONES SEASON 8--Final Run-- Part 2

[pukunui]

As I said above, *something* is definitely going to happen down in the crypts. They are not going to turn out to be as safe as everyone says they are. However, whether that’s because the dead interred there are reanimated or the walkers manage to get in, we will just have to wait till next week to find out ...

Whatever the case, Dany’s proclamation that the dead are already there is either ominous or obvious (or both).

I'm not sure that works, but we know that Benjen Stark was able to resist becoming an evil servant, so maybe there is something in Stark blood that lets them retain independence.

Benjen was only able to resist because the Children of the Forest found him in time and stuck some dragonglass in his chest.

No. That's why the wildlings burned all of their dead. A white walker can reanimate bodies of those that they don't personally kill. What's unclear is whether they can create a white walker that way and not just make wights(skeletons/zombies).

My guess is that only the Night King can create walkers. He was using Craster’s sons, but it’s unclear if he can only transform babies or if he can transform adults as well.

One of the scenes I really loved was the scene where the little girl with the burned face spoke with Ser Davos. It was a very touching scene.

Agreed. Of course, that probably means she’s going to die ...

 

[Zardnaar]

does Gendry have a claim on the Iron Throne?
if Arya survives and becomes the Queenslayer could she and Gendry claim the Kingdoms?




I think Sansa will survive and become Queen of the North - there must be a Stark in Winterfell

I also think Bran is going to sort-of die, especially after last episodes exchange about the need for memories and Death being forgetting, followed by Tyrion sitting down and asking Bran to tell him his story. Brans sacrifice will bind the Night King so they both become a tree.
This will emphasize the end of the story and the world. Then Samwell will rise as the new chronicler of the memory of the seven kingdoms, Tyrion will be his editor.

Tormund, Brienne, Jorah, Theon and Grey Worm die, Missandei survives

Jamie lives but is killed by Cersei

Not a good one, bastard son of a usurper but people have pushed bastards before. William the Conqueror was one. It was very rare IRL though. William got the pope to sign off on it.

Jon has the best claim followed by Dany assuming it was a fair world, if Gendry was legitimate he would have a better claim arguably better than Jon's.

House Targaryen has equal rights succession law in regards to males/females, but Jon was the legitimate son of the crown prince, Dany was the legitimate daughter of the King and lines of succession go down the eldest borns line, not the monarchs other kids at least in terms of priority. Its the same law as the House of Windsor, so Charles, William, George is the main line and Charlottes ahead of William. If Charlotte was older than George she would be the ahead, under the old rules a female would only inherit if there was no male heir an some houses/country's females couldn't inherit full stop and things could get messy and a cousin could end up with the throne or whatever.

A son could also take his fathers name if born to a Queen as well, and that is how we ended up with the House of Windsor as Victoria was the last of her dynasty IIRC.

I may or may not play Crusader Kings. There may or may not be a GoT mod for it.

 

[MarkB]

One wrinkle with Jon: Doesn't the oath of the Night Watch involve renouncing any and all claim to land or titles? Yes, he's already broken that declaring himself King in the North, but by the laws of the Seven Kingdoms he has no claim to any title, regardless of his lineage.

 

[pukunui]

One wrinkle with Jon: Doesn't the oath of the Night Watch involve renouncing any and all claim to land or titles? Yes, he's already broken that declaring himself King in the North, but by the laws of the Seven Kingdoms he has no claim to any title, regardless of his lineage.

His oath was rendered moot when he was killed. That's why he was able to walk away from the Night Watch without being a deserter.

 

[Tonguez]

One wrinkle with Jon: Doesn't the oath of the Night Watch involve renouncing any and all claim to land or titles? Yes, he's already broken that declaring himself King in the North, but by the laws of the Seven Kingdoms he has no claim to any title, regardless of his lineage.

That could be the easy out for Jon and leave Dany as the legitimate claimant and also give the north to Sansa. Jon’s fate is to return to rebuild the Wall

 

[MarkB]

His oath was rendered moot when he was killed. That's why he was able to walk away from the Night Watch without being a deserter.

Ah, I'd forgotten that part. And since he hadn't yet been made king, that clause does not also invalidate his claim to the throne.

 

[Maxperson]

As I said above, *something* is definitely going to happen down in the crypts. They are not going to turn out to be as safe as everyone says they are. However, whether that’s because the dead interred there are reanimated or the walkers manage to get in, we will just have to wait till next week to find out ...

My money is on the dead in the crypt.

Benjen was only able to resist because the Children of the Forest found him in time and stuck some dragonglass in his chest.

Hmm. I don't remember that. Was that in the book, the show or both?

Agreed. Of course, that probably means she’s going to die ...

LOL

 

[Maxperson]

Ah, I'd forgotten that part. And since he hadn't yet been made king, that clause does not also invalidate his claim to the throne.

It wouldn't in any case. The oath was to last until death, so death released him from all of the clauses. It seems they didn't take resurrection into account when coming up with the oath.

 

[pukunui]

Hmm. I don't remember that. Was that in the book, the show or both?

The show.

 

[Sadras]

Jon’s fate is to return to rebuild the Wall

With the Night King presumably vanquished the threat of the long night will be over. The wall becomes unnecessary.