D&D General Greyhawk setting material

[Urriak Uruk]

Umm, no it doesn't? See, this is why I have such a tough time with these arguments. Folks are just making stuff up to support their points rather than actually LOOKING at what's there. I mean, THIS is the relevant part of GoS:



That's IT. That's the sum total of reaction. No "utterly alien" or poor treatment is mentioned AT ALL.

Your argument doesn't actually reflect anything that's actually written.

Sorry, you're wrong. There is a section that I'll quote;

SALTMARSH OVERVIEW

Saltmarsh's roughly five thousand residents are predominantly human, with the dwarven mining contingent of about two hundred workers the largest non-human faction in town. Elves and halflings draw no special notice, since the Silverstand hosts a wood elf enclave and a few halfling villages are tucked in the hills around town. The residents react to other visitors, especially tieflings and dragonborn, with a mixture of curiosity and fear.

<drops mic>

 

[Parmandur]

Sorry, you're wrong. There is a section that I'll quote;

SALTMARSH OVERVIEW

Saltmarsh's roughly five thousand residents are predominantly human, with the dwarven mining contingent of about two hundred workers the largest non-human faction in town. Elves and halflings draw no special notice, since the Silverstand hosts a wood elf enclave and a few halfling villages are tucked in the hills around town. The residents react to other visitors, especially tieflings and dragonborn, with a mixture of curiosity and fear.

<drops mic>

He meant that the book does not specify the way the town receives the Tiefling Smuggler, leaving it to DM interpretation. I can only imagine she is held at arm's length in town, valued but not beloved, but that's an interpretation.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

He meant that the book does not specify the way the town receives the Tiefling Smuggler, leaving it to DM interpretation. I can only imagine she is held at arm's length in town, valued but not beloved, but that's an interpretation.

I mean maybe that is correct just for the tiefling smuggler character, that the town would see often. But the book specifically says that the town of Saltmarsh views tieflings/dragonborn with fear and curiosity, so his larger point about the races is wrong.

 

[Remathilis]

Sorry, you're wrong. There is a section that I'll quote;

SALTMARSH OVERVIEW

Saltmarsh's roughly five thousand residents are predominantly human, with the dwarven mining contingent of about two hundred workers the largest non-human faction in town. Elves and halflings draw no special notice, since the Silverstand hosts a wood elf enclave and a few halfling villages are tucked in the hills around town. The residents react to other visitors, especially tieflings and dragonborn, with a mixture of curiosity and fear.

So by that sentence you emphasized:

1. Saltmarsh reacts poorly to tieflings and dragonborn.
2. Saltmarsh is in Greyhawk.
3. Therefore, there are tieflings and dragonborn in Greyhawk.

< Mic drop >

 

[Urriak Uruk]

So by that sentence you emphasized:

1. Saltmarsh reacts poorly to tieflings and dragonborn.
2. Saltmarsh is in Greyhawk.
3. Therefore, there are tieflings and dragonborn in Greyhawk.

< Mic drop >

<picks up mic>

Point three is incorrect. If I lived in medieval France and had never seen an elephant, I might react with a mixture of curiosity and fear. This does not mean elephants are native to France, in fact it is evidence to the opposite.

<puts mic back on stand as the number of drops may lead to the mic breaking>

 

[Remathilis]

But the elephant still exists on Earth for you to see. Occram's razor suggests that while uncommon in that region of Keoland, they do exist beyond the scope of that region.

Sorry man, WotC just confirmed both races exist on Oerth. Game over man.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

But the elephant still exists on Earth for you to see. Occram's razor suggests that while uncommon in that region of Keoland, they do exist beyond the scope of that region.

Sorry man, WotC just confirmed both races exist on Oerth. Game over man.

That's not how language works man.

If I changed the sentence to say: "The residents react to other visitors, especially My Little Ponies and Gojira monsters, with fear and curiosity," that doesn't suddenly mean those things exist in Oerth.

That's also not how Occam's Razor works, a theory about assumptions (if anything it supports my argument because if someone reacts with curiosity/fear it assumes those things aren't native to that world, but whatever).

Wizard's confirmed nothing, those races are in the D&D multiverse so are mentioned as something people in Saltmarsh would react to with fear.

I really should ditch this thread, if people can't agree on simple sentence structure, the argument is going to be pretty pointless.

 

[Mort]

Re: Dragonborn and Tieflings in Greyhawk.

I've allowed a Dragonborn into my current group - but his origins are murky and being explored as the campaign progresses (I allowed him in with the caveat that I get to mess with his history and background as I see fit, something I don't normally do).

As for reception: The group started in the City of Greyhawk. In my campaign, the city is more than anything based on ankh-morpork (from Discworld). The residents have seen just about everything. They barely blink an eye toward the dragonborn - particularly since he grew up in the city and is useful (a smith's apprentice to start).

But as they get further from the city - reception gets colder moving toward outright hostile in many areas.

 

[Remathilis]

So you're suggesting that WotC meant to write

"The residents react to other visitors, especially tieflings and dragonborn who are not native to this world, with a mixture of curiosity and fear."

Well crap, I hope the best response we give aliens from another planet is a mixture curiosity and fear. Saltmarsh is downright accommodating to visitors from other realities, I figure they'd be killed on sight!

Your logical gymnastics required to make that sentence suggest neither of those races exist as natural citizens of Oreth is Olympics worthy. Might as well suggested muls and warforged would get the same response.

WotC made this whole argument moot in one sentence. It's over.

 

[lowkey13]

*Deleted by user*