Consent in Gaming - Free Guidebook

[Sacrosanct]

Really. I thought we were taking about using tsunamis and dehydration to kill players and dealing with players that have phobias to spiders and such. Well we have to stop the game because Fred is afraid of spiders. And bob had a friends die in a car accident. So no more car chases in our games. Oh and Cindy she’s afraid of clowns so now we have to cancel the game that takes place in a circus.

I think we both (and everyone reading this thread) know that that's no longer the limited context of this discussion, and that's not "just" what you meant. When you started saying things like catering to the few who throw fits, and that's how liberty ends, and how people should just get over hurtful words, etc etc, that you're not just talking about phobias and dehydration. So I don't think anyone is buying this response of yours that that's all you were talking about.

 

[Arnwolf666]

I think we both (and everyone reading this thread) know that that's no longer the limited context of this discussion, and that's not "just" what you meant. When you started saying things like catering to the few who throw fits, and that's how liberty ends, and how people should just get over hurtful words, etc etc, that you're not just talking about phobias and dehydration. So I don't think anyone is buying this response of yours that that's all you were talking about.

I think you really thought wrong. I could care less about someone’s sexual orientation or ethnic group. And you are putting words in my mouth. There are groups besides sexual orientation and ethnic groups.

 

[GrahamWills]

Really. I thought we were taking about using tsunamis and dehydration to kill players and dealing with players that have phobias to spiders and such. Well we have to stop the game because Fred is afraid of spiders. And bob had a friends die in a car accident. So no more car chases in our games. Oh and Cindy she’s afraid of clowns so now we have to cancel the game that takes place in a circus.

So rather than this, you would prefer:

"Fred is terrified of spiders. So rather than me re-skinning them to be lizards, I'd prefer to have Fred suffer panic symptoms for the next few hours"

"Bob, I know you watched your friends die in a car crash, but I still think it would be fun for everyone else to replay that scene in your life, despite the fact that it may cause you to cry with pain"

"Cindy is terrified by clowns, but I think they're fun to use, so I wrote a game in a circus knowing that you all will have fun with it despite Cindy being unable to function during the session"

I'm being serious here. We're not talking about mild dislikes; we're talking about people who will be terrified and deeply hurt by these things. Do you honestly think it's a better plan for you to ignore that pain in the pursuit of fun than to accommodate them?

 

[Arnwolf666]

No. I am saying they should leave the table and play somewhere else. If I am playing game of thrones and they want kingdom hearts then I’m not rewriting the game to suit them. They can leave. Wish them well. They are coming to a game that isn’t for them. When i run a my little pony game they are welcome to play.

 

[Sacrosanct]

I’m just worried what kind of people will be seeking out the position to enforce these rules. That’s alot of power. And then if this is just the beginning of policing these games for other thought crimes.

That’s how those things start out. It is what kind of person wants the position of power to enforce it. How will they enforce. Will this become as convoluted as how we enforce laws and company policies. Will this become a method of banning people with certain play styles. People that want power can be dangerous people.

I don’t think society has changed as much as a very few minority is very vocal and good at throwing tantrums and screaming at people that do things they don’t like. I think that is evidence of chapelle recent success on Netflix. People kind of really want it. And now we are determining weather we are going to give people what they want or listen to a very vocal small group that will scream and protest when they don’t get what they want.

We never needed consent before to just use words. I was raised that sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never harm me. And to learn to deal with people that use words I don’t like instead of crying about it.

Yes and I think that’s why we have to really teach people to “deal with it” in my opinion. There are people not nice and the game isn’t even about dealing with those people, just fictional scenarios. I hope these people don’t watch a movie or tv show without doing a lot of research. Or even the news for that matter.

I guess I will have to start using the words “small groups” instead of monitory now.

That in my opinion is the end of liberty.

I’m completely against violence. You are talking about the use of words.

I think you really thought wrong. I could care less about someone’s sexual orientation or ethnic group. And you are putting words in my mouth. There are groups besides sexual orientation and ethnic groups.

Firstly, it's "I couldn't care less." Unless you are admitting that you do care about someone's sexual orientation. Secondly, I didn't put words in your mouth. They are all above. "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" is about insulting people. Not tsunamis or spiders, but attacking people with insults. That's the context of that saying. Then you double down by telling people to get over it. So yeah, it sure seems that you're not just talking about dehydration or phobias.

Thirdly, I just used the gay example as an example, but the point stands for pretty much anything. I.e., the point is that you seem to be taking the position that regardless of what you say, if anyone gets offended that's their problem and you should be welcome. And I'm saying no, that's not the case. You aren't automatically welcome, and if you defend the right to insult or otherwise hurt others, then I'd ask you to leave.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Firstly, it's "I couldn't care less." Unless you are admitting that you do care about someone's sexual orientation. Secondly, I didn't put words in your mouth. They are all above. "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" is about insulting people. Not tsunamis or spiders, but attacking people with insults. That's the context of that saying. Then you double down by telling people to get over it. So yeah, it sure seems that you're not just talking about dehydration or phobias.

Thirdly, I just used the gay example as an example, but the point stands for pretty much anything. I.e., the point is that you seem to be taking the position that regardless of what you say, if anyone gets offended that's their problem and you should be welcome. And I'm saying no, that's not the case. You aren't automatically welcome, and if you defend the right to insult or otherwise hurt others, then I'd ask you to leave.

No where did I mention sexual orientation or race. Minority is not a reference to race or ethnic group. Just referring to any small group.

 

[Sacrosanct]

No where did I mention sexual orientation or race.

Let me repeat, because you missed the point:

Thirdly, I just used the gay example as an example, but the point stands for pretty much anything. I.e., the point is that you seem to be taking the position that regardless of what you say, if anyone gets offended that's their problem and you should be welcome.

 

[Arnwolf666]

Let me repeat, because you missed the point:

Thirdly, I just used the gay example as an example, but the point stands for pretty much anything. I.e., the point is that you seem to be taking the position that regardless of what you say, if anyone gets offended that's their problem and you should be welcome.

Yes. If someone is offended they should play at a different table or with someone else. It is impossible to not offend everyone. Just like u r offending me right now. So u should change your position so that I am not offended.

 

[Aldarc]

No. I am saying they should leave the table and play somewhere else. If I am playing game of thrones and they want kingdom hearts then I’m not rewriting the game to suit them. They can leave. Wish them well. They are bringing a game that isn’t for them. When in run a my little pony game they are welcome to play.

This is a false equivalent comparison nor does it anywhere engage with or convey any actual cognizance of the issue of consent being discussed.

 

[Arnwolf666]

This is a false equivalent comparison nor does it anywhere engage with or convey any actual cognizance of the issue of consent being discussed.

They are words. Consent is not needed. They can leave if they are uncomfortable.