D&D General Have Githzerai always been jerks?

[Blue]

You could, but D&D actually have a timeline, and every edition starts and ends with a major event that changes the shape of the settings as a whole. I think the Time of Troubles ended 1st edition and started 2nd. Vecna becoming a greater God ended 2nd edition and started 3rd. Mystra's death and the spell plague started 4th, and her resurrection started 5th.

I think you might be confusing the Forgotten Realms with D&D as a whole. Yes, FR did have events. But FR wasn't the default setting for any edition prior to 5th. There is no event mandated by an edition change across all settings or even that edition's default setting. The fact that FR decided to do it has to do with FR, not D&D as a whole.

4e's default setting was Nentir Vale / Points-of-Light. 3ed's was officially Greyhawk, which was pretty weakly coupled. Want to go back to pre AD&D you get Mystara.

Source: Dungeons & Dragons campaign settings - Wikipedia

 

[neogod22]

I think you might be confusing the Forgotten Realms with D&D as a whole. Yes, FR did have events. But FR wasn't the default setting for any edition prior to 5th. There is no event mandated by an edition change across all settings or even that edition's default setting. The fact that FR decided to do it has to do with FR, not D&D as a whole.

4e's default setting was Nentir Vale / Points-of-Light. 3ed's was officially Greyhawk, which was pretty weakly coupled. Want to go back to pre AD&D you get Mystara.

Source: Dungeons & Dragons campaign settings - Wikipedia

I came back to D&D at the end of 4th. They were doing living FR at that point like they are doing now for 5th, so the default setting might've been different for 4th at the beginning, but they ended with FR. I consider the living world as the default because, that's what's getting updated, that's what the conventions run, and it's what AL runs.

 

[Blue]

I came back to D&D at the end of 4th. They were doing living FR at that point like they are doing now for 5th, so the default setting might've been different for 4th at the beginning, but they ended with FR. I consider the living world as the default because, that's what's getting updated, that's what the conventions run, and it's what AL runs.

None of which changes the statement that D&D doesn't force any edition-changes onto settings. The fact that FR did it is true, but has nothing to do with D&D as a whole.

And regardless that you consider the living play world to be the "official" setting, the world official has a specific meaning which differs from that. Living play is just one facet of D&D play as a whole. Using a term incorrectly and then defending your point by trying to redefine the word does not make a strong supporting statement.

 

[Tony Vargas]

There is no event mandated by an edition change across all settings or even that edition's default setting. The fact that FR decided to do it has to do with FR, not D&D as a whole.

FR had major events happen 3e >4e and 4e>5e. Eberron and Dark Sun both changed between those two eds, didn't they? And, of course, 4e majorly re-wrote the entire Cosmology.

Changing the Gith - who have changed, some, with each ed - is pretty minor by comparison.

But, yeah, they've always been jerks.

 

[neogod22]

None of which changes the statement that D&D doesn't force any edition-changes onto settings. The fact that FR did it is true, but has nothing to do with D&D as a whole.

And regardless that you consider the living play world to be the "official" setting, the world official has a specific meaning which differs from that. Living play is just one facet of D&D play as a whole. Using a term incorrectly and then defending your point by trying to redefine the word does not make a strong supporting statement.

Maybe I used the wrong word, but it still makes my point. What's yours?

 

[Blue]

Maybe I used the wrong word, but it still makes my point. What's yours?

Since your entire point hinged on FR being the "official" setting of various editions of D&D, misusing "official" pulls the entire supports out of your argument. FR was not, in fact, the official setting for any earlier edition of D&D.

Which leads to my point that D&D as a whole did not have an official campaign changing event for each new edition.

Is that clear enough?

 

[Blue]

FR had major events happen 3e >4e and 4e>5e. Eberron and Dark Sun both changed between those two eds, didn't they? And, of course, 4e majorly re-wrote the entire Cosmology.

Changing the Gith - who have changed, some, with each ed - is pretty minor by comparison.

But, yeah, they've always been jerks.

Oh I agree some campaign setting have changed. I wsa just calling out neogod22 that he insisted D&D had an official campaign change for each edition. Some settings like FR updated with each set of new rules, but not all.

 

[neogod22]

Since your entire point hinged on FR being the "official" setting of various editions of D&D, misusing "official" pulls the entire supports out of your argument. FR was not, in fact, the official setting for any earlier edition of D&D.

Which leads to my point that D&D as a whole did not have an official campaign changing event for each new edition.

Is that clear enough?

So your point was to be right? Because you sound like you habe no point. You just want to argue just to argue. Well every edition since 3rd edition ended in a FR adventure leading to the next edition, so I'd say they're official. You can think whatever you want.

 

[neogod22]

Oh I agree some campaign setting have changed. I wsa just calling out neogod22 that he insisted D&D had an official campaign change for each edition. Some settings like FR updated with each set of new rules, but not all.

Cool story bro

 

[Blue]

So your point was to be right? Because you sound like you habe no point.

Yeap, you "habe" me. Oh wait, my point was to correct the misinformation you were spreading. I won't call it lies - you were pretty clear that you were self-delusional in what was actually official. It was just wrong. As was the point you made based on what the "official" settings did for "every" edition of D&D.

It was a bit comical when you came back with your proof for every edition was just the change from tail-end of 4e to 5e. You did a great job of undermining your points so no one who reads the thread will accidentally mistake them for being correct.

Hasta la later.