D&D 5E Is the Wall of Faithless in 5e?

[Xenonnonex]

According to the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide: Yes, the Wall of the Faithless still stands.

Cheers bruv. Found it. Page 20.
The SCAG does contain a lot of stupid shite.

 

[Xenonnonex]

Just imagine how many teenagers were playing D&D back then!

Sure but they should not have been on the design team.

 

[digitalelf]

It was incredibly stupid.

To each their own, but the idea that faith, or rather the lack thereof having consequences is an appealing notion to me.

 

[Xenonnonex]

To each their own, but the idea that faith, or rather the lack thereof having consequences is an appealing notion to me.

Having a lack of faith having consequences could have had more nuance and more meaning. Not something that reads as if the edgiest edgelord wrote it.

 

[Mecheon]

It was an innovative and darkly comedic idea

That you, Mrykul?

Having a lack of faith having consequences could have had more nuance and more meaning. Not something that reads as if the edgiest edgelord wrote it.

The one good use of the Wall of the Faithless was NWN 2, Mask of the Betrayer. See the character of Kaelyn the Dove, former Doomguide of Kelemvor turned leader of the Second Crusade to tear down the Wall of the Faithless and a key player in the Third Crusade

 

[ccs]

Cheers bruv. Found it. Page 20.
The SCAG does contain a lot of stupid shite.

Does it matter though?
Ok, so the SCAG contains some crap & the thing exists in WoTC version of the FR..
But the only version (s) of the setting that matter though is the one your running/playing in

 

[doctorbadwolf]

According to the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide: Yes, the Wall of the Faithless still stands.

That’s a decent departure from “if you served no god you go to the wall”, but is still literally semi-eternal punishment for just...not having “faith”. Gross.

Cheers bruv. Found it. Page 20.
The SCAG does contain a lot of stupid shite.

Most FR sourcebooks do.

To each their own, but the idea that faith, or rather the lack thereof having consequences is an appealing notion to me.

Atheists and disinterested agnostics being tortured in the afterlife appeals to you? Seriously? Cosmically enforced “faith” at the threat of being dissolved into a wall has appeal?

Really!?

 

[DWChancellor]

Atheists and disinterested agnostics being tortured in the afterlife appeals to you? Seriously? Cosmically enforced “faith” at the threat of being dissolved into a wall has appeal?

Really!?

The Gods are obviously real, they're obviously super powerful, and they make no bones about being in charge of what happens to you after you die. If the Gods are remotely like people, you can imagine they wouldn't look to kindly on mortal souls who deny them. Being an atheist or agnostic in D&D is nothing like in real life.

Worse, loose souls are the equivalent of barrels of gunpowder laying around. Devils use them as tank-fuel (not to mention just plain warping souls into devils), etc. So you could think of the wall as a toxic waste disposal system. If you're a big jerk like Myrkul, you'd render some punishment (again, mortals know this wall exists!) If you're Kelemvor, maybe I don't see Kelemvor letting this be so awful. But it is up to the God of death who gets the first crack at these souls. And generally the god of Death isn't interested in letting a big stream of unclaimed soul-power getting lose.

If I recall right, part of the (4E?) Raven Queen's issue was fending off planar soul thieves for just this sort of reason.

It makes a certain internal sense at least. If you want to say the D&D authors are being mean to RL people who are atheists and agnostics, well... they can play D&D without gods and the wall.

 

[Nagol]

Perhaps I'm misremembering, but it not just belief in the gods, every person who didn't specifically pick a patron deity ended up in the wall which I thought was mean.

"I think the gods are real and I pray to A when I do X, and B when I do Y because those are the ones in charge of the domains of X and Y! Which one is my patron? I don't deserve a patron; I never had to choose! What do you mean I'm consigned to the wall!"

 

[DWChancellor]

Perhaps I'm misremembering, but it not just belief in the gods, every person who didn't specifically pick a patron deity ended up in the wall which I thought was mean.

That's exactly what Myrkul (an evil git for sure) did. He declared those souls as stateless and tortured them out of existence. I'm trying to remember, but I thought Kelemvor's motivation to ascend was because he was so unhappy with Myrkul's attitude. Also all the general weirdness with Cyric.