D&D 5E Is the Wall of Faithless in 5e?

[MoonSong]

Ah, so, now Forgotten Realms has to bow to Planescape canon. Nope. Sorry. As far as Forgotten Realms is concerned, none of that applies. You are playing Forgotten Realms. There are no Powers. There are no Penitents. It's all Planescape stuff that need not apply.

Unless you want to argue that I MUST accept Planescape canon before I can play Forgotten Realms. In which case, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Well, it is in the Fugue (escape)plane, and curiously out of all the shapes they could choose, they chose a wall. The fugue plane is the natural point from where souls escape the Realms, and the wall prevents it.

 

[Hussar]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, doesn't the Wall of the Faithless protect the city of the dead (forgot the name in Forgotten Realms) from the demons and others that would swoop in and devour all those souls that have not been sorted into their proper afterlife yet?

IOW, while the wall is a punishment for those who lack faith, it does actually perform a function does it not?

 

[doctorhook]

That’s a decent departure from “if you served no god you go to the wall”, but is still literally semi-eternal punishment for just...not having “faith”. Gross.

Atheists and disinterested agnostics being tortured in the afterlife appeals to you? Seriously? Cosmically enforced “faith” at the threat of being dissolved into a wall has appeal?

Really!?

In FR, it works for me. It’s a setting with no diversity of religion, just a buttload of polytheistic deities. “Everybody has to have a god,” makes sense in such a world, especially given that the people of Toril have become accustomed to gods walking down the street from time to time—faith isn’t really a question in such a world.

 

[doctorhook]

Overall I think the best setting when it comes to religion would be Ravenloft as that realm had no deities. Instead clerical powers were powered literally by the faith of the clergy.

You should check out Eberron, I’d say it’s far more realistic. Clerical powers come from faith (regardless of alignment), and there are a number of different religions (not simply pantheons) that mostly nobody can really prove true. Tons of diversity in beliefs between the various religions, and agnosticism abounds. It’s legit very similar to real-world religious diversity.

 

[doctorhook]

Ah, so, now Forgotten Realms has to bow to Planescape canon. Nope. Sorry. As far as Forgotten Realms is concerned, none of that applies. You are playing Forgotten Realms. There are no Powers. There are no Penitents. It's all Planescape stuff that need not apply.

Unless you want to argue that I MUST accept Planescape canon before I can play Forgotten Realms. In which case, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Yes, this, exactly. I don’t mind the idea of Spelljammer as a metasetting, but I consider it non-canon versions of the settings it touches. (Ditto Planescape, except that I think Planescape’s “philosophy wars” are ridiculous, edgy, and stupid.) My FR stays in FR, unless I really want it to leave.

 

[Zardnaar]

No, all you need to do is not pick a patron. In other words, anyone who actually acts like a pantheist goes to the wall. No denunciation necessary, (unless that was changed though I got some confirmation earlier in the thread that it isn't) .

That's the part I thought was mean/silly. "Ha! You failed to try to forge a personal relationship with any single deity in a universe with a large known pantheon with divergent portfolios that cut across many aspects of your life! That's a losing move! No afterlife for you!"

If you have faith but no patron I would assume you go to your alignment plain.

The wall is only for faithless and false and only after judgement so if you were genuinely faithless through no fault of your own you would still likely go to alignment plain. It's for people who deliberately screw the gods over or ignore them.

 

[Zardnaar]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but, doesn't the Wall of the Faithless protect the city of the dead (forgot the name in Forgotten Realms) from the demons and others that would swoop in and devour all those souls that have not been sorted into their proper afterlife yet?

IOW, while the wall is a punishment for those who lack faith, it does actually perform a function does it not?

Yes fiends like breaking rules and tempting souls.

 

[Nagol]

If you have faith but no patron I would assume you go to your alignment plain.

The wall is only for faithless and false and only after judgement so if you were genuinely faithless through no fault of your own you would still likely go to alignment plain. It's for people who deliberately screw the gods over or ignore them.

I would have no issue if it works as you assume.

"Everyone in Faerun knows that those that die without having a patron deity to send a servant to collect them from the Fugue plane at their death spend eternity writhing in the Wall of the Faithless or disappear into the hells of the devils or the infernos of the demons."

 

[Arnwolf666]

Asmodeous isn’t getting their souls in other worlds. The wall isn’t necessary. There isn’t a good in game reason for it being there.

Also, do you even have any canon source that says that is why the wall has to exist?

Well my guide to hell says asmodeus does get the souls of the faithless

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Well my guide to hell says asmodeus does get the souls of the faithless

That a 5e book? For which setting?