D&D 5E Is the sleep spell d&d 5e too powerful

[Jasondd]

&D 5E. Ok,hear me out. Proof sleep is too powerful. Form a group of 4 players (fighter, rogue, priest, wizard), all of which level 1. So its fair to say in order, they would have an average of 12 hp, 8 hp, 9 hp and 6 hp. Let's imagine the wizard is a serial killer... he casts sleep with an average roll of 22 hp and he could roll higher (needing only 29 total) to put all three players to sleep (NO SAVING THROW). So for the next 10 rounds he has advantage + critical on all the players. This means he has a very high probability of killing all three players without breaking a sweat! No other class or spell has this capability at level one. This makes sleep the most powerful spell even though it is level 1. Btw, the command spell is 1 round, 1 target and a saving throw!
IS THE SLEEP SPELL TOO POWERFUL AND IN NEED OF A REVISION?

 

[commandercrud]

No.

 

[Jasondd]

Thats it, NO. so you think its not too powerful?

 

[neogod22]

&D 5E. Ok,hear me out. Proof sleep is too powerful. Form a group of 4 players (fighter, rogue, priest, wizard), all of which level 1. So its fair to say in order, they would have an average of 12 hp, 8 hp, 9 hp and 6 hp. Let's imagine the wizard is a serial killer... he casts sleep with an average roll of 22 hp and he could roll higher (needing only 29 total) to put all three players to sleep (NO SAVING THROW). So for the next 10 rounds he has advantage + critical on all the players. This means he has a very high probability of killing all three players without breaking a sweat! No other class or spell has this capability at level one. This makes sleep the most powerful spell even though it is level 1. Btw, the command spell is 1 round, 1 target and a saving throw!
IS THE SLEEP SPELL TOO POWERFUL AND IN NEED OF A REVISION?

No because it doesn't scale well, and in indiscriminately puts to sleep everyone in the area including the caster and their allies. It always go from lowest HP to highest, so that usually means the most dangerous enemies are usually unaffected, and the spell does nit scale well. Most casters won't even take it, and if they do, they usually stop using it by 5th level.

 

[Jasondd]

Let' say the wizard cats the spell so that he is not in the area of affect? I want you to look at it as purely tactical. I mean, he has the capability of wiping out the group! Statistically speaking

 

[Dausuul]

&D 5E. Ok,hear me out. Proof sleep is too powerful. Form a group of 4 players (fighter, rogue, priest, wizard), all of which level 1.

5E is not balanced for PVP. Low-level spells are intended to be used by PCs against monsters.

Furthermore, while sleep is a potent weapon against very weak foes, its effectiveness degrades rapidly against more powerful enemies.

 

[Undrave]

&D 5E. Ok,hear me out. Proof sleep is too powerful. Form a group of 4 players (fighter, rogue, priest, wizard), all of which level 1. So its fair to say in order, they would have an average of 12 hp, 8 hp, 9 hp and 6 hp. Let's imagine the wizard is a serial killer... he casts sleep with an average roll of 22 hp and he could roll higher (needing only 29 total) to put all three players to sleep (NO SAVING THROW). So for the next 10 rounds he has advantage + critical on all the players. This means he has a very high probability of killing all three players without breaking a sweat! No other class or spell has this capability at level one. This makes sleep the most powerful spell even though it is level 1. Btw, the command spell is 1 round, 1 target and a saving throw!
IS THE SLEEP SPELL TOO POWERFUL AND IN NEED OF A REVISION?

Where are you getting these "next 10 rounds he has advantage"? The target wakes up the moment it takes damage...

Sleep is a VERY strong spell in the early levels of the games when you have little spell slots to spend so it gives you more bang for your buck. However, as you gain more spell slots you could use it on, it starts to scale less effectively. By the time you're level 4 or 5, if you're not facing a single low CR enemy, you won't be able to do much with it.

 

[Jasondd]

Yet my example still stands. A player (wizard level 1) can wipe out a group of players level 1 with high probability! All the while using the rules...

 

[Jasondd]

Sleep lasts 1 minute (10 rounds)

 

[Dausuul]

Yet my example still stands. A player (wizard level 1) can wipe out a group of players level 1 with high probability! All the while using the rules...

But your example is irrelevant to whether the spell is balanced. D&D is not and has never been built for PVP.