D&D 5E Knowledge skills in combat

[billd91]

further, i just don't get why even if its advanced knowledge you wouln't have access to it. maybe if you JUST got punched in the face. then for a round i'd understand like a...stupifying effect? you'd think if you know it you know it.

A die roll would indicate whether or not your PC could recall particularly pertinent details in a stress situation, something you assume combat would be. That's why I have no problems with making lore checks in general. I'd be more inclined to just give the info away in a non-combat situation, when the character isn't being distracted by the threat of imminently being gutted.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

A die roll would indicate whether or not your PC could recall particularly pertinent details in a stress situation, something you assume combat would be. That's why I have no problems with making lore checks in general. I'd be more inclined to just give the info away in a non-combat situation, when the character isn't being distracted by the threat of imminently being gutted.

see...
this is precisely what i think too. the roll is for seeing if you can remember lickity split in a stressful situation. for the record i would give some sort of a bonus to the dc against the negative imposed by the stress too. maybe a +(your con mod, or your int mod, or something) representing how fast you think. actually i'd probably go with int because its gonna be primarily how FAST you can think under stress. you don't really need to concentrate because its split second type of stuff.

 

[Tony Vargas]

its not really because of class. i don't even think the other player is jealous. they crave attention basically. although, the class they play would normally have a big advantage over most classes in knowledges. perhaps that's related?

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but jealous is wanting what you have, envy is begrudging you it, what he's doing looks, from your side of it, like he's begrudging you - actively sabotaging, even.

And, it sounds like, with some provocation: you created characters who might have been meant to shine at similar times, and, yours overshadowed his. Whether due to system mastery or whatever other factors.

we made our characters without eachother's knowledge

Session 0 might've headed the whole thing off.

Still curious what sort of character he went for.

 

[ad_hoc]

pretty much my feeling. plus extra angst because he doesn't want to be the second most knowledge capable pc.

further, i just don't get why even if its advanced knowledge you wouln't have access to it. maybe if you JUST got punched in the face. then for a round i'd understand like a...stupifying effect? you'd think if you know it you know it.

I have learned a lot of things that I have trouble recalling.

I thought that was common.

If I took my exams again tomorrow I doubt I would get As.

I can recall some of the stuff on command, it's just hit and miss. (What I have retained is the ability to look up the information and understand it).

 

[Horwath]

I would say that recall knowledge is instant.

Either you know it or you do not.

d20 is here to give a chance do you know it or not.

your DM sets DCs and what amount of information various DCs give, but he should give you something usefull with 15, few tips with 20. 25 should get you all facts about common subjects and 30 all facts about most obscure ones.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but jealous is wanting what you have, envy is begrudging you it, what he's doing looks, from your side of it, like he's begrudging you - actively sabotaging, even.

And, it sounds like, with some provocation: you created characters who might have been meant to shine at similar times, and, yours overshadowed his. Whether due to system mastery or whatever other factors.
Session 0 might've headed the whole thing off.

Still curious what sort of character he went for.

well. i don't think provocation could have been possible. i mean...we had no idea what eachother was gonna play. and there wasn't a session 0 (i know some people do that. we didn't.)

as i understand it he's some kind of rogue and a type of human that gives him an extra feat at start up. i don't actually know much about his build. my character is a bit of a knowledge sponge. meant to be a bit of a spellcasting sherlock holmes with a dash of humor. but not actually intended to be a party face (something he definitely seems to be after (on the hefty list of things he's after.). to be honest, i never intended to get in his way. but he seems to have a very easily bruised ego.

he MIGHT have known my general character concept now that i think of it though...hmmm. i don't think so but its at least possible. still, i had no idea what he was playing.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I have learned a lot of things that I have trouble recalling.

I thought that was common.

If I took my exams again tomorrow I doubt I would get As.

I can recall some of the stuff on command, it's just hit and miss. (What I have retained is the ability to look up the information and understand it).

the vast majority of a person's knowledge is generally ingrained enough so as not to be tempermental though. you recently learned something? well then what you actually keep will be shaky. known something for months or even years? unlikely to forget the really important parts. even if rare knowledge.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I would say that recall knowledge is instant.

Either you know it or you do not.

d20 is here to give a chance do you know it or not.

your DM sets DCs and what amount of information various DCs give, but he should give you something usefull with 15, few tips with 20. 25 should get you all facts about common subjects and 30 all facts about most obscure ones.

that's actually pretty close to how i run my games. i'm not trying to step on the dm's toes and get him to run 5e like i run 3 and 3.5 of course. unlike the other guy i don't really wanna manipulate the dm. but this knowledge desert that i feel like i am currently in feels awfully oppressive, unrealistic, absurd, and quite frankly feels like its the result of someone having manipulated him to an extreme side of possible interpretations. it also smacks of vendetta (on that player's involvement) and not a concern for the game making any sense.

 

[Tony Vargas]

as i understand it he's some kind of rogue and a type of human that gives him an extra feat at start up. i don't actually know much about his build. ...party face (something he definitely seems to be after (on the hefty list of things he's after.). to be honest, i never intended to get in his way.

Thanks, that adds some clarity. It's easy to overreach with a concept like that: try to be good with too many things using just skills, feats &c and you will likely not be so good at anything.
A specialist will show you up pretty consistently.

. still, i had no idea what he was playing.

Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you intentionally provoked him.

 

[Son of the Serpent]

I could see that. It's easy to overreach with a concept like that: try to be good with too many things using just skills, feats &c and you will likely not be so good at anything.
A specialist will show you up pretty consistently.

Sorry, didn't mean to suggest you intentionally provoked him.

to his credit, his character is certainly the best in some areas. i'd go so far as to say more areas than the median player at this table. including the areas he coveted most. but i stepped on his toes with knowledge i guess (not even his primary area of interest. its tertiary to him.) and i guess that cannot stand. its definitely an unfortunate situation. i haven't played with him before for the record, so i don't know if this is a pattern. we just have a lot of mutual friends. we've both played a lot. first time sharing a table. i've been trying to deal with him peacefully. he really seems territorial though. kinda wish i could just roll a new character and let him have the knowledges but its a bit late for that.