D&D 5E Eberron versus Multiverse

[QuentinGeorge]

I don't particularly care if FR was first or best. FR is not even my favorite setting. I did not even say that it was first just one of the first.

I did not even know about this fact about dragons until this week. When reading through a review of some original dragonlance products. Which brought up that Dragonlance dragons were not particularly special and for sure not more powerful then the baseline ones. FR introduced many new mechanics and buffs to dragons to power them up, including stuff like being immune to the damage of their breath weapons. Stuff that later became baseline in 2e and on.

Dragonlance had probably the largest and most powerful dragons. Malystryx and the other dragon overlords were two actual size categories bigger than great wyrm. (400' feet long and 500' wingspan - far larger than any other red dragon). And you severely mischaracterise how the dragon/dragonrider partnership went. It wasn't just riders atop a dumb mount like a horse, the dragon was a full partner, and in many cases, senior partner. Flint Fireforge and Tasslehoff Burrfoot rode a dragon with a lance and they basically sat there while the dragon did everything! On Krynn the dragons are the first and most perfect creations of the gods, made in their image. Hardly not "special" - the whole setting revolves around them! In any of the big "wars" on Krynn, the first thing one side does is attempt to knock the other side's dragons out of the war.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Dragonlance had probably the largest and most powerful dragons. Malystryx and the other dragon overlords were two actual size categories bigger than great wyrm. (400' feet long and 500' wingspan - far larger than any other red dragon). And you severely mischaracterise how the dragon/dragonrider partnership went. It wasn't just riders atop a dumb mount like a horse, the dragon was a full partner, and in many cases, senior partner. Flint Fireforge and Tasslehoff Burrfoot rode a dragon with a lance and they basically sat there while the dragon did everything! On Krynn the dragons are the first and most perfect creations of the gods, made in their image. Hardly not "special" - the whole setting revolves around them! In any of the big "wars" on Krynn, the first thing one side does is attempt to knock the other side's dragons out of the war.

It may have changed later on. But early on this was not the case.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

It may have changed later on. But early on this was not the case.

Everything I just said except Malystryx was true from the very beginning.

 

[Coroc]

Dragonlance had probably the largest and most powerful dragons. Malystryx and the other dragon overlords were two actual size categories bigger than great wyrm. (400' feet long and 500' wingspan - far larger than any other red dragon). And you severely mischaracterise how the dragon/dragonrider partnership went. It wasn't just riders atop a dumb mount like a horse, the dragon was a full partner, and in many cases, senior partner. Flint Fireforge and Tasslehoff Burrfoot rode a dragon with a lance and they basically sat there while the dragon did everything! On Krynn the dragons are the first and most perfect creations of the gods, made in their image. Hardly not "special" - the whole setting revolves around them! In any of the big "wars" on Krynn, the first thing one side does is attempt to knock the other side's dragons out of the war.

There is also Council of wyrms setting which offered a different approach for a man / dragon "Symbiosis"

Biggest dragon in Lore afaik is the god Io the platinum dragon with I think 800 yards in length and span, I might be wrong, check it out in either 2e monster mythology or council of wyrms but I think it was the former. Cannot look it up right now.

 

[gyor]

There is also Council of wyrms setting which offered a different approach for a man / dragon "Symbiosis"

Biggest dragon in Lore afaik is the god Io the platinum dragon with I think 800 yards in length and span, I might be wrong, check it out in either 2e monster mythology or council of wyrms but I think it was the former. Cannot look it up right now.

You can't count Dragon Gods, if I remember correctly in some editions they could be as big as they wanted.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Everything I just said except Malystryx was true from the very beginning.

If it was then I sure did not notice it. The only thing I noticed about the Dragons were that there were a lot of them, and they tended to be subordinate to humans in the groups like Verminaard.

 

[Coroc]

You can't count Dragon Gods, if I remember correctly in some editions they could be as big as they wanted.

Hm only got second edition for that, technically the stats were not for the gods themselves but for their avatar
Looked Io up now, says body length 440' tail length 360' so 800' total. Missremembered color though, he can take all colors but appears normally blue scales edged with silver and dark purple

 

[Bohandas]

Dragonlance had probably the largest and most powerful dragons.

Well, except for Eberron, where the entire planet is made up of the bodies of the world dragons Eberron and Khyber

 

[Hussar]

It may have changed later on. But early on this was not the case.

One has to remember that in 1e, dragons weren't actually that big. The DL dragons were the biggest they got under that ruleset.

But, you had dragons wiping out entire nations - how is that not special? One green dragon wipes out the largest elven nation in the land. Pretty special if you ask me.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

Well, except for Eberron, where the entire planet is made up of the bodies of the world dragons Eberron and Khyber

There's no evidence those dragons are "real" in the sense that Malystryx and co were.