D&D 5E Would you prefer warlord or psion as a new class?

[generic]

Psion is winning handily, as was demonstrated in the last poll, started by CleverNickName IIRC, as well as this one.

I'm not surprised.

 

[Maxperson]

It's kind of a moot point to ask for them, because at this rate they aren't going to happen. People want them to be different and special mechanically, but the system demands they function the same way as everyone else.

Er. All of the classes are different and special mechanically. They all have class abilities that are unique.

People are just asking for a Psion class to be just like any other class. One that has unique mechanical class abilities. Virtually nobody has asked for a class to be constructed differently than all the others. That is a misrepresentation.

 

[Maxperson]

No one ever loses an arm in D&D.

Arya Stark aside. There are PCs that lose arms in D&D. It happens. I've experienced it and I've seen it happens to others.

 

[Azzy]

No man, talk about a strawman! I was very much pro 4e and the Warlord. It was the over the top nature of the advocacy for the Warlord, and the seriousness the topic was treated with even in face of Mearls' blatant joke, which turned me off to it. It's become my rallying cry against the Warlord because people can't help but take themselves too seriously when it comes to this class.

Funny, it's the vindictive, spiteful, obnoxious, virulent anti-warlord crowd and their threadcrapping that made me, someone that very much was against 4e, throw in my support behind the warlord fans. And it's why I chose the warlord over the psion in this poll.

 

[Mistwell]

Funny, it's the vindictive, spiteful, obnoxious, virulent anti-warlord crowd and their threadcrapping that made me, someone that very much was against 4e, throw in my support behind the warlord fans. And it's why I chose the warlord over the psion in this poll.

Why is vindictive, spiteful, obnoxious, and virulently anti-warlord that is threadcrapping?

 

[Sacrosanct]

Psion is winning handily, as was demonstrated in the last poll, started by CleverNickName IIRC, as well as this one.

I'm not surprised.

It was a poll created by me a week or so ago. But I do have w clever nickname, so you’re not wrong

 

[Sacrosanct]

Why is vindictive, spiteful, obnoxious, and virulently anti-warlord that is threadcrapping?

I can only think of one poster who said they would actively try to keep the warlord out of the game because they hate it. I can also think of at least one person who immediately brings out the “the only people against the warlord are h4terss who are hypocrites because the game has elves and dragons, so it’s rediculois for them not to accept non magical healing and powers”

So at the very least, the vitriol and dishonesty isn’t limited to one side or the other. Just in the past couple pages here, we have a poster whose entire argument was based on a strawman “that was Mearls’s strawman” when they already knew Mearls was joking and not being literal.

 

[Hussar]

Dude. It was a joke. Complete with a funny .gif to make that super clear.



But to be even more clear, it's the over the top super serious nature of the pro-Warlord crowd which spammed the message board so much at one point it required it's own separate forum to deal with it that turned me off to the Warlord. I used to like the Warlord class, but then its fans soured me on the concept. Because of stuff like this - freaking out about Mearls' off hand joke (a joke where he ALSO made it clear he was being silly, in the moment, and yet people still take it seriously like you just did). Just like the silly gnome cartoon earlier.

Huh. This is not how I remember things. I remember things as being virtually the exact opposite where any attempt to actually discuss the warlord was shouted down by drive by thread crapping to the point where it was impossible to actually have a discussion for all the noise.

 

[Aldarc]

So at the very least, the vitriol and dishonesty isn’t limited to one side or the other.

And to prove it, you commit a little dishonest intellectual revisionism of your own:

Just in the past couple pages here, we have a poster whose entire argument was based on a strawman “that was Mearls’s strawman” when they already knew Mearls was joking and not being literal.

When I said that it was best to drop this matter, that did not mean for you to engage in further veiled attacks through hyperbolic statements of your own.

 

[Hussar]

They already made wizard psionic subclasses. To be a Psion, there needs to be unique Psion class abilities. Lack of those = not a Psion class. There also needs to be a lack of component use as Psions have no components. It's literally impossible to use Sorcerer and Wizard to be a Psion, because both use components and they lack unique Psion class abilities. All classes have unique abilities.

Huh.

Didn't you just tell me that I was wrong for characterizing psion fans as wanting "unique class abilities"?

Other than the almost everyone in the other threads who told you that they don't need a completely new subsystem, but rather just want some unique class abilities(not a new subsystem), some unique "spells"(not a new subsystem) and no components(not a new subsystem).

I'm kinda confused. How is "unique class abilities" not a new subsystem? You want new abilities, that are different from any existing abilities, new spells, that are not only different from existing spells but also probably cast in a different way (spell point system), and no components - which no other caster can do.

All of these things were being brought up - particularly the spell point system, a completely new system that does not exist in the core game (although is presented as an option in the DMG).

But, considering that things like Spell Point systems very much were being discussed at length, it's not terribly unfair to claim that psion fans want a completely new subsystem for their psions. After all, that's what made psionics different IN EVERY EDITION. Every single edition of D&D that had psionics had a complete sub-game specifically for psionics. Bolting psionics onto existing classes is not good enough, apparently, so, isn't that the direction folks are heading?