Asisreo
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Is it around their fortress? Well, they wouldn't be then but they'd most certainly call for reinforcements and at the very least activate traps inside.
Either way, they're smart enough to talk first but also shoot first.
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D&D 5E Countering Rest Spells (Tiny Hut, Rope Trick, et al)
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Either way, they're smart enough to talk first but also shoot first.
Asisreo
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Tbh, it sounds like we're running the gauntlet of scenarios where LTH is broken and, I mean, yeah in the right scenario it's super strong.
Fireball is broken in the tundra since ice creatures (presumably) are vulnerable to fire. Any radiant damage spell is broken in a vampire's lair. But in those scenarios, it's fine that they are. Likewise, level 5 players walking through the wilderness should be able to do so for free at that point. They do have fly which allows for skipping a good portion of encounters too.
Fireball is broken in the tundra since ice creatures (presumably) are vulnerable to fire. Any radiant damage spell is broken in a vampire's lair. But in those scenarios, it's fine that they are. Likewise, level 5 players walking through the wilderness should be able to do so for free at that point. They do have fly which allows for skipping a good portion of encounters too.
Yes it is,
"In that particular case, they had been travelling several days with only a few incidents. They were trying to get closer to a secret base and had decided to take the route through the wild lands to avoid as many patrols as possible. They had actually had a few skirmishes with other patrols before trying to get a night's rest. "
A significant problem with oofta's orc encounter with its "cover doesn't work that way" is the fact that the situation keeps evolving with critically relevant details left out until pressed on the glaring logic flaw & he ignores anything problematic to his "the spell is fine, I see no problems your gm abilities are lacking" mantra
Asisreo
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Hmm, honestly, I didn't read through the entire thread letter by letter so I must've glossed over that one. I don't think he's saying what he has already done, though, I think he's just brainstorming based on the flaws you're pointing out. I can't speak for him though.
Either way, you're not necessarily a bad DM if you ban the spell. That being said, I do think banning it is a bit of an overreaction but the only people that can say you're a good or bad DM are your players. That's not to say we shouldn't continue the discussion but it may be helpful to not make or take anything personal to or from both sides.
LordEntrails
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Why not?The Roman army made nightly fortifications for any size unit. The number of soldiers int he unit determined the size of the fortification. They also made latrines nightly too, because they valued their own safety and knew about sanitation. Why do you find any facts that counter your impression to be ridiculous? You don't have to use such realities, but if other do you should respect their decision to do so.
Why the exaggerations? This constant attempt by you to take every idea you don't agree with to an absurd extreme does not bode well for a 'discussion'.
Once per day. Only 1 long rest per day. Sure, they can keep ritual casting hut so they have protection for 32 hours, but now time has advanced 32 hours. And any enemy actually waiting for them outside the hut has had a really long time to prepare. And any events that are happening keep going on. The MacGuffin is moved, the ritual is done, the princess is dead, the message doesn't get to the King in time.
Barrels? Here's another absurd statement that ignore easily obtainable FACTS. Do the math, a hemisphere of 10 foot radius has a surface area just over 625 sqft. According to Glidden and other pain companies, 1 gallon of paint covers 400 sqft. So, 2 gallons is fine.
Personally, I don't like the paint idea, but its not an absurd idea like you are trying to state.
Why do you keep up these absurd statements? They do not help in any type of reasonable discussion.
Poison doesn't have to be lethal. Any type of gaseous irritant can have an impact. Think of stinking cloud, or check out Volos kobold trapmaker stuff. Great ideas their for impromptu weapons.
? Really, that's not a nice way to behave if you have any interest in a civil discussion.
Unless you follow JC's tweet that says you can't do any such thing.
Depends on how you handle vision. If the tiny hut is in light (either a light source of the PCs or via torches on a tower shield etc) then I rule that any creature withing seeing range can see and target creatures in the light source.
Well, if half your clan was wiped out by such a spell, the survivors now tell cautionary tales. And if the spell is as powerful as you believe it to be, then every adventuring party throughout the last thousand years has used it daily. And hence if goblins and wolves have an instinctual pact knowledge of the dangers of such. (Or if they didn't then they would be dead, only those with such would survive to pass on their genes, thanks Darwin!)
REstating your opinion over and over again doesn't help. And really isn't civil either.
Because part of being on patrol is being prepared to defend your territory. And being prepared to defend you territory includes carrying stuff you might need to stay alive. Such as a hand ax and rope. Is that such a big stretch for your imagination?
So now I'm lying? What possible reason would I have to do that? I gave a scenario but did not include every detail.
In my campaign creative solutions are allowed and encouraged on both sides DM screen. Solutions aren't limited to what's written in the book.
If the hobgoblins had gotten adjacent to the hut they had other plans. I thought it was and still think it is a reasonable tactic and I was the DM. The players could have done something similar if the situation were reversed.
Don't want to allow solutions that are outside of the box? Assume that the only equipment a patrol can ever have is what's listed as their base equipment? Don't want to use any of my options? Don't. I just think the game is more fun when monsters are run intelligently, have reasonable gear and use appropriate tactics.
In my case that means a couple dozen hobgoblins can strap together a handful of logs to make portable cover. Why you think it would be impossible for such a thing to be built, carried or hold up to a few arrows is beyond me.
@Oofta the fact thst you don't use standard rest durations is extremely relevant to your "spell is fine" assessment and I'm not the only one to point it out, you don't seem willing to accept that there is any relevance whatsoever.
I explained why a patrol slapping together
something that provides one way cover to the degree you give it is problematic, you just ignored it. The raft providing the level of cover you are giving it is something multiple people have pointed out as pure silliness as well. There is also the fact that readied
actions don't work like you are describing them (you can't react to something you can't see happening).
As to your "other plans" you are still not answering the question of what they will be doing in the eight hours thst the party is safe or why the raft only needs to last a couple of minutes
@LordEntrails regarding barrels of paint and how many sqdt you can cover with a gallon using a paint brush, oofta admitted that he was thinking of just throwing the paint at the dome earlier. Paint covers quite a bit less space when you apply it like that
I explained why a patrol slapping together
something that provides one way cover to the degree you give it is problematic, you just ignored it. The raft providing the level of cover you are giving it is something multiple people have pointed out as pure silliness as well. There is also the fact that readied
actions don't work like you are describing them (you can't react to something you can't see happening).
As to your "other plans" you are still not answering the question of what they will be doing in the eight hours thst the party is safe or why the raft only needs to last a couple of minutes
@LordEntrails regarding barrels of paint and how many sqdt you can cover with a gallon using a paint brush, oofta admitted that he was thinking of just throwing the paint at the dome earlier. Paint covers quite a bit less space when you apply it like that
No, I disagree. There's a difference. I think it would be simple to construct having build similar things myself. Repeating that it would not work doesn't make it so and is also not relevant. It will always be a DMs call as to whether something like that is reasonable. I think it is.
I have no idea what you're envisioning that it would not be possible. I've given examples of what I was talking about. I talked about a real life corollary. All you do is say "that can't possibly work!" with no reason. Do they not have tools? They don't need much. Something to chop wood, some rope. The wood doesn't need to be that thick, wooden shields were half an inch thick or less. The wood just needs to be tight enough to stop an arrow from going through.
They had a couple dozen hobgoblins and plenty of time and raw materials. What about weight? Let's say you wanted to have a big "wall". Is 8 ft wide enough? Maybe 6 ft tall? Okay. So ... wood. Let's base this on 2x4s and a bit of googling and a 2x4 that's 8 ft long weighs 13 pounds. The saplings would likely weigh considerably less, but we'll go with that. Take a foot or so of length off (it doesn't need to be 8 ft tall) but assume that extra is going to be used from cross-bracing and some quick math we come up with 312 pounds. Even round it up to 350 pounds and for a short distance they should be able okay. You have several of them supporting it and these were elite troops (and no I didn't mention that before, along with what color their uniforms were).
So how many hobgoblins can fit? Well, they won't be fighting, they just need enough room to move. If a fight starts the temporary wall becomes irrelevant anyway. So 4 abreast with squeezing? Maybe 3-4 deep ... say between 12 and 16 hobgoblins. A couple are supporting the wall, the others are just packed in like sardines doing the shuffle.
I don't remember exactly how many I had, it was probably 8-10. So what, exactly was so impossible about any of this? I didn't do any googling or calculations, just kind of winged it. But based on my quick calculations just now it seems to be in the ballpark for possible.
So they need 3 gallons. They also don't need to cover the entire dome, just a section they will use to approach. Exactly what they're doing depends on the situation and what other materials and plans they had prepped for this or similar scenarios.
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You were warned that you should behave respectfully Now, you call people dishonest? You are done in this thread.
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And you again fail to point out what getting close with the cover would actually accomplish. By now its obvious that you have no idea yourself.
You have only given the PCs another tool to use by ruling you can craft mobile cover which is effective against ranged attacks and spells for free. The next dungeon will be fun when the PCs use such a tree shield to freely move around.
And you are completely ignoring the vision issue.
But the highlight is that now people are carring around gallons of paint in throwable containers for the random chance to encounter a tiny hut. Not that they would be of any use as the paint is easily scraped off because of the hut. If paint would even stick to a wall of force which as the name says consist out of force and not matter. Thats like trying to paint a magnetic field or the sound barrier.
He actually never said that. He only admitted that they screwed up when writing the spell but never said that it should be changed.
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