D&D 5E Boop

[FrogReaver]

This is a directly misleading account of what I said. I'm going to try to give you the benefit of the doubt wrt intention, and clarify.
I didn't say that the twilight zone comment to you, for one thing, nor does it imply that you're crazy for having your opinion. As for mechanical distinctions, yep. If there are no damage cantrips with meaningful mechanical distinction, then (speaking only very, very, mildly in hyperbole) dnd doesn't have meaningful mechanical distinctions.

None of which explains why your "joke" needed to involve comparing me to a lying thief, in the context of him lying about his theft to try to get people to not judge him for it, in a discussion about whether things that do different things in gameplay are different enough.

Accusing me of "calling you names" for calling out your behavior is pretty wild, too, tbh. It's fine to be insulting, as long the insults don't directly involve using a noun, I guess?





That's...rich. It's also not at all what happened, but okay. It's much more like you said that all metal songs sound the same, I said that's not true and asked what about them actually seems too similar while citing what makes them different, and then you reiterated your opinion that they are similar with a car analogy and then mocked me while implying that I'm similar to a lying thief of other people's work.

Now I'm not saying he was the Pope or anything, but you basically did everything he claimed...

 

[lowkey13]

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[doctorbadwolf]

I only claimed ranged damage cantrips weren't meaningfully different. I stand by that. Were any of those cantrips you listed supposed to be considered a ranged damage cantrip?

Probably half the list, or so, are ranged cantrips that deal damage. Is there some other metric by which you categorize cantrips as ranged damage cantrips?

We're done.

oh man I do apologize, I thought that was pretty clear in the tone of my post. I have no respect for you as a person because of patterns I've seen in your behavior toward others, and the fact that behavior toward others is literally the only metric of the worth of a person, and won't be interacting with you any further for the forseeable future. I wasn't going to spell it out like that, but I guess I wasn't being clear. I've been told not to tell people I'm putting them on ignore, which seems like a nonsensical rule, to me, but I'll make an exception to my following that here, in case that wasn't clear, either.

 

[FrogReaver]

Not feelin' ya here bro, you may need to get a little more granular for me.

If the concept calls for an armored caster I'll go Cleric or maybe Paladin. If I want a skill monkey I'll play a Bard and maybe ignore all the music and performance stuff. Whatever gets my concept off the ground. I'll ignore or reskin whatever needs it. The important part is that I'm always really excited about my characters.

You are saying you pick your classes off mechanics (possibly reskinned mechanics but mechanics nonetheless) which does imply that you find the classes to be meaningfully different. However, here in talking you say you don't find them to be meaningfully different.

I mean, I've probably been wrong more than I've been right - but it seems to me like you are describing meaningful differences in caster classes but then voicing the opinion that there are none.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Now I'm not saying he was the Pope or anything, but you basically did everything he claimed...

Not gonna argue with a third person about it, especially after putting him on my ignore list and making it clear why.

Obviously I disagree. Stating my disagreement is the end of my involvement in any discussion on the matter.

I'm happy to discuss mechanics and whatever this thread was actually about, though.

 

[FrogReaver]

Not gonna argue with a third person about it, especially after putting him on my ignore list and making it clear why.

Obviously I disagree. Stating my disagreement is the end of my involvement in any discussion on the matter.

I'm happy to discuss mechanics and whatever this thread was actually about, though.

Okay. Then at the current time it doesn't seem beneficial for me to continue with you on this topic as I am concerned you will end up treating me as you did lowkey.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Okay. Then at the current time it doesn't seem beneficial for me to continue with you on this topic as I am concerned you will end up treating me as you did lowkey.

Whatever floats your boat. I treated lowkey with respect and curiosity until they turned to insulting comparisons and directly and intentionally dismissing and disrespectful humor, so...there's that.

 

[FrogReaver]

Whatever floats your boat. I treated lowkey with respect and curiosity until they turned to insulting comparisons and directly and intentionally dismissing and disrespectful humor, so...there's that.

The most insulting and dismissive thing you can do to someone is to tell them they can't possibly believe something they sincerely do.

 

[Fenris-77]

You are saying you pick your classes off mechanics (possibly reskinned mechanics but mechanics nonetheless) which does imply that you find the classes to be meaningfully different. However, here in talking you say you don't find them to be meaningfully different.

I mean, I've probably been wrong more than I've been right - but it seems to me like you are describing meaningful differences in caster classes but then voicing the opinion that there are none.

I don't find the casters meaningfully different, no. In a game with zero MC then a little moreso. It's mostly access to a handful of different spells and whether or not i have a good idea for one of the other mechanics which most often isn't really what its fluffed as. That's rare though.

Obviously there are mechanical differences between the classes but nothing that, to me, that separates the classes in a super meaningful thematic way. I never said there weren't mechanical differences btw, only that I didn't find the differences compelling from a character design standpoint, as odd as that sounds.

 

[Fenris-77]

See, this I can understand. You've provided some explanation of what actually isn't generating a differentiated play experience. The difference is too mechanical (ie, about and involved in the mechanics of the game on a fairly meta level), and not fictional enough, for you to care about the difference in actual play. Is that roughly on target?

Pretty much, yeah. The rules mitigate for a certain set of choices for damage versus resistance, and a mix if targeted and save based, and deviating from that is significantly suboptimal at lower levels. However, the choices made dont really make a character feel any different in play, at least to me. I'd prefer the classes had their own cantrips that really pumped the class theme.