D&D 5E Why Not? A Variant Captain Fighter

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
More analysis.
Potential Complaints > Parry and Rally
Abilities do not really scale appropriate to those they help Rally basically stopping a progressively smaller part of the user defense.

In comparison takedown (trip) benefit basically scaling perfect unless you run into really large enemies.
Parry should be CS+level+strength or Dex mod, IMO.

Rally should affect prof mod creatures that can see and hear you.
 

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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Parry should be CS+level+strength or Dex mod, IMO.
I was thinking to look at this for clues about what was appropriate. It just seems more complex than looking at page 42 for some reason.


Rally should affect prof mod creatures that can see and hear you.
That is certainly a possibility... though larger numbers could be achieved by trading out an attack in the paradigm
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Why isn't Trip Attack just defined as allowing one to shove the enemy you hit. (then we can move the enemy 5 too when it is useful)? I really do think the normal shove is fine with the size limits but I tend to argue a Martial Takedown/Throw is a superior shove with an attack associated and as you advance get one more size category bonus. Size doesnt matter is a martial artist mantra for a reason.
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
What if an enemy can move the location you shove them to in order to gain a bonus on their saving throw?

Enemy choice might not be available for the martial takedown. The attacker then gets the choice.
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Riposte and Trip are apparent winners in the wild popularity contest of the current maneuvers.
And we have adjustments for even them. Heh.

Lunge attack also seems poorly named for what it does (which is mechanically more like a rebounding strike as you leap out and leap away)

Acrobatic Bounding Attack where you can either return to your location or move beyond the target 10 feet and are considered disengaged. Feels like something Xena might do then.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Riposte and Trip are apparent winners in the wild popularity contest of the current maneuvers.
And we have adjustments for even them. Heh.

Lunge attack also seems poorly named for what it does (which is mechanically more like a rebounding strike as you leap out and leap away)

Acrobatic Bounding Attack where you can either return to your location or move beyond the target 10 feet and are considered disengaged. Feels like something Xena might do then.
Well, lunge is supposed to model the lunge of a fencer, which with an early rapier would be quite a long reach, without leaving your starting space.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Well, lunge is supposed to model the lunge of a fencer, which with an early rapier would be quite a long reach, without leaving your starting space.
From what I have seen fencing lunges are well not like that they do end with you closer with either clenching when it didnt quite work or an act of withdrawal from the target or yourself which feels distinct or in some arts passing through past the target (the latter is common in Kendo which I am experienced with) because it carries the body weight behind the weapon as part of the damage dealing. I am less certain we should be considering one approach regardless a more flexible maneuver might be both more useful tactically to players and allow distinct visualizations.

Many fencers aside from Thibault and Distreza were umm lets call it dying left and right because their Lunge was really poor defensively (akin to the brash strike from 4e) the combatants skewered each other from what I have read and Its why our favorite intelligent fighters were so scary by controlling tangential approaches.

Though I suppose attacking from a reach outside your opponents you become better defended in some sense not sure this mechanic represents that aspect super well either.... hmmmm. Still just thinking about Lunge.

Am I right in saying one can lunge then just run without disengaging?
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
You mentioned wanting to improve Martial Adept>
hmmmm oh look linear and quadratic shows itself
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Note making the Meta Maneuvers a Fighter only thing allows the fighter to do maneuvers better and significantly more often (than say a Paladin who took Martial Adept) if they want to pay the prices...
 

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