Legatus Legionis
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Why would you want to get “nasty” with a friend over OOC conversation in a game?But otherwise yes, this is one instance where I don't hesitate to step in and smack things down. Ditto with players making suggestions for what other players' PCs should do when the suggesting player has no PC in the neighbourhood and thus no way of knowing the situation; this is something I've had to get rather nasty about in days of old.
I agree there's a difference between these but I disagree when you say one type is good.There's a pretty big difference between "I'm bringing personal issues into the game" metagaming and "I'm prioritizing moving the plot over character immersion" metagaming. The first is bad, and the second is good.
Indeed. It irritates me when a player keeps pretending not to know something because another player did explicitly parrot a word-for-word repetition of the information which was already shared openly at the table. It drives me up the wall when a player will insist on acting in the most foolish way possible because "no one told me" even when the dungeon master says "yes, X told Y all about it when he got back... do you still want to do that?"There's a pretty big difference between "I'm bringing personal issues into the game" metagaming and "I'm prioritizing moving the plot over character immersion" metagaming. The first is bad, and the second is good.
I largely agree with this.The point of an RPG is to engage with the world as our character does, as though it was a real place, and not just a story. That's the unique thing, which distinguishes an RPG from any other type of game.
But I don't as largely agree with this, because it's quite possible - very possible - to operate on story logic and still be fully in-character.Meta-gaming is bad because it means you aren't doing that anymore. You aren't engaging in the world as your character would, if they were a real person, living in a real world. Once you start operating on story logic, then all you're left with is a story. It no long reflects that unique thing, which is only possible in an RPG.
Now here I'll ask: how many have even tried full-immersion RP?You are practicing full immersion roleplaying, which is a type of roleplaying. Most other players practice other types of roleplaying.
Yes, and when you can't cure the root problem all you're left with is to suppress the symptoms as best you can.I hope that any well-adjusted adult here, which may already be asking too much from people, could recognize here that the problem is not metagaming, but personal issues between Bob and the Speaker. Bob and the Speaker should handle this between themselves like adults. But in no way is the actual problem here metagaming. It's the personal lives of the players. So we should probably stop pretending like metagaming is the disease rather than a mere symptom. IME, metagaming is almost always the symptom of an underlying problem at the table rather than the actual problem itself.