Terminator Dark Fate Review (no spoilers)

Zardnaar

Legend
Yep. My brain kind of tweaks out after a few minutes. In another thread we were talking about Dyson Logos' maps and after thinking about it with most of them being b&w it brings the crossed hatched negative space to forefront for me and draws my attention away from the important stuff. I'm not knocking the guy I just finally realised why I dont care for his maps as much as others.

I watched Antman & Wasp recently and thought the FX were pretty decent.

Haven't seen that one. Watched most of the MCU a few months ago.

I think movies are over using CGI. It's blowing the budget out and is often not needed. Some movie spent 5k on cgi dog poop.

Disney is getting very good with CGI though.
 

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R_J_K75

Legend
Disney is getting very good with CGI though.

Yes they are. And yes many movies are wasting money on crap CGI. I dont remember seeing Jurassic Park since it was in the theater in 93-94. That was the first movie I remember seeing CGI in. I dont know if it was the beer ball we drank before we went or not but man they looked good.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Yes they are. And yes many movies are wasting money on crap CGI. I dont remember seeing Jurassic Park since it was in the theater in 93-94. That was the first movie I remember seeing CGI in. I dont know if it was the beer ball we drank before we went or not but man they looked good.

It looked great at the time. Still look ok now.
T2 looks more out of date with the hairstyles than most if the special effects. Except the fake Arnie they shot up. I think they only used 5 minutes of CGI though.
 

MarkB

Legend
Yes they are. And yes many movies are wasting money on crap CGI. I dont remember seeing Jurassic Park since it was in the theater in 93-94. That was the first movie I remember seeing CGI in. I dont know if it was the beer ball we drank before we went or not but man they looked good.
It's a matter of taking the time and effort to match the CGI action with the real-life footage. In Jurassic Park, they paid special attention to adding artificial film grain to the CGI shots, individually matched to the grain in the footage those shots were being integrated into. They also softened the focus of CGI shots to match the depth of field in the corresponding footage.

Pretty standard stuff in any decent quality production these days, but there's a difference between doing the bare minimum routine adjustments and actually thinking about the effects from a cinematographic perspective.
 

Beleriphon

Totally Awesome Pirate Brain
It looked great at the time. Still look ok now.
T2 looks more out of date with the hairstyles than most if the special effects. Except the fake Arnie they shot up. I think they only used 5 minutes of CGI though.

The biggest usage in T2 is Robert Patrick flowing through the bars at the psych ward and similar effects, the floor match for example.
 


You can tell that the CGI shots for both Jurassic Park and T2 were carefully planned out to make them look as convincing as possible. There's been a lot of movies since where the director didn't really plan anything out. Chronicles of Narnia is a great example of a movie where they just lazily shot an empty field of grass, and told the artists to just fill it with CGI creatures. Oh, and throw some random mermaids in the foreground of this shot while you're at it.

Both Spielberg and Cameron were very careful how long they showed a CGI shot, and how close they could put the camera to it. Marvel is aware of that too, which is why they had a different model of Thanos for his closeups. But many movies don't care about any of that.

One of my favorite scenes that involves a great mix of CGI and practical effects, is this scene from The Lost World.


Notice how much effort was put into this scene. They have a moving camera to help sell the integration of the CGI into the shot, which was difficult to do at the time. They shift focus multiple times, and physical objects react to the actions of the raptors. And they also make sure the timing and the eyelines of the actors match with where the raptors are at the time, during a longtake! The camera follows the action of both the actors and the raptors, as if they are both present in the scene. This had to be carefully choreographed, because some of the shots are so long and every interaction that the raptors have with the environment has to be timed at just the right moment.
 
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Cyan Wisp

Explorer
T1 is my fav, mainly because of Reese and the love story with Sarah. T2 was amazing and still holds up. I love the calm, slow relentlessness of the T-1000. Hard to top. Both are burned into my psyche. My mum's fridge makes a three note jingle when you open it... I think of that beautifully desolate Terminator theme every time.

DF? I can barely remember it. It was forgettable (to me) and didn't really cover any new ground apart from having a (let's face it, largely unconscious) augmented human. High hopes but didn't hit the spot for me like the first 2. That rev9 guy seems to spend all of his time running sideways which got annoying quickly. :cautious:
 

T1 is my fav, mainly because of Reese and the love story with Sarah. T2 was amazing and still holds up. I love the calm, slow relentlessness of the T-1000. Hard to top. Both are burned into my psyche. My mum's fridge makes a three note jingle when you open it... I think of that beautifully desolate Terminator theme every time.

DF? I can barely remember it. It was forgettable (to me) and didn't really cover any new ground apart from having a (let's face it, largely unconscious) augmented human. High hopes but didn't hit the spot for me like the first 2. That rev9 guy seems to spend all of his time running sideways which got annoying quickly. :cautious:

Terminator was a true classic, a great film done on a shoestring budget. At heart it was a monster movie, but instead of some undead abomination or mysterious "slasher", it was a cyborg. . .and instead of a sleepy small town or a summer camp, it was Los Angeles.

Terminator 2 was the best action film of its time, and there's a reason it's fondly remembered almost 30 years later. It was outrageously expensive, but worth every penny, and was famously groundbreaking in special effects.

There's a reason that all the various Terminator sequels and spin-offs agree on the first two films being canonical.

Terminator 3 started to drop into self parody. The shot of Arnie putting on the silly stripper sunglasses briefly after getting his clothes made it clear they KNEW they were starting to dip into self parody. They were trying to make ever-more challenging Terminators for him to fight, so they had the now absurdly powerful T-X. Despite Reese's dialogue in the first film making it clear that Skynet had lost the war and that the Terminator time travel gambit was Skynet's last chance to win the war, Terminator 3 made it seem a lot more like they just kept sending people back in time over and over again.

To me, the best part of Terminator 3 was the "world building" of finding out that John Connor was "supposed" to get in touch with the military because his girlfriend/fiancee/wife's father is a USAF Lieutenant General and that's the connection he makes that has him become a leader in the resistance after the war. The film was worth it for the scenes of Skynet activating, and Connor taking command at Crystal Peak as the whole world is wondering what's going on and why they're seeing missile launches going off.

Terminator: Salvation was part of that 2000's film trend of making everything as dark and grim as possible. Grimdark Terminator without time travel. The heart transplant ending was a last-minute plot change after test audiences absolutely HATED the original ending of Connor dying in that last attack, so that was a quick re-shoot change to let Connor live but not change a lot of scenes so the film could still come out on time.

The best part of that was the scenes with seeing the resistance actually fighting, like seeing them attacking Skynet bases.

Geneysis and Dark Fate were both forgettable sensory-overload explosion-fests that seemed to be trying HARD to cash in on the Terminator name, but that's it. Killing off John Connor in BOTH films was a huge mistake.

Dark Fate's outright flop may well have finally killed the series, but it hadn't been the same since Terminator 2 and had been slowly going downhill.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Terminator was a true classic, a great film done on a shoestring budget. At heart it was a monster movie, but instead of some undead abomination or mysterious "slasher", it was a cyborg. . .and instead of a sleepy small town or a summer camp, it was Los Angeles.

Terminator 2 was the best action film of its time, and there's a reason it's fondly remembered almost 30 years later. It was outrageously expensive, but worth every penny, and was famously groundbreaking in special effects.

There's a reason that all the various Terminator sequels and spin-offs agree on the first two films being canonical.

Terminator 3 started to drop into self parody. The shot of Arnie putting on the silly stripper sunglasses briefly after getting his clothes made it clear they KNEW they were starting to dip into self parody. They were trying to make ever-more challenging Terminators for him to fight, so they had the now absurdly powerful T-X. Despite Reese's dialogue in the first film making it clear that Skynet had lost the war and that the Terminator time travel gambit was Skynet's last chance to win the war, Terminator 3 made it seem a lot more like they just kept sending people back in time over and over again.

To me, the best part of Terminator 3 was the "world building" of finding out that John Connor was "supposed" to get in touch with the military because his girlfriend/fiancee/wife's father is a USAF Lieutenant General and that's the connection he makes that has him become a leader in the resistance after the war. The film was worth it for the scenes of Skynet activating, and Connor taking command at Crystal Peak as the whole world is wondering what's going on and why they're seeing missile launches going off.

Terminator: Salvation was part of that 2000's film trend of making everything as dark and grim as possible. Grimdark Terminator without time travel. The heart transplant ending was a last-minute plot change after test audiences absolutely HATED the original ending of Connor dying in that last attack, so that was a quick re-shoot change to let Connor live but not change a lot of scenes so the film could still come out on time.

The best part of that was the scenes with seeing the resistance actually fighting, like seeing them attacking Skynet bases.

Geneysis and Dark Fate were both forgettable sensory-overload explosion-fests that seemed to be trying HARD to cash in on the Terminator name, but that's it. Killing off John Connor in BOTH films was a huge mistake.

Dark Fate's outright flop may well have finally killed the series, but it hadn't been the same since Terminator 2 and had been slowly going downhill.

Did you watch the TV show?

A big problem the have had is they keep doing over the top Terminators even though as you said T1 and T2 were supposed to be Skynets last gasp.
 

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