D&D and the rising pandemic

[Horwath]

The figure that I've heard is up to 70%.

The plan is to have that happen over a long enough period to keep the death rate down.

That was Merkel's statement for German population.

But, you are right. Plan is to slow the rate of infection so health system is not overwhelmed with critical patients.

And if there is no vaccine in sight, only way to battle it, would be to gain herd immunity and hope that virus does not mutate too much for built up immunity.

 

[Mistwell]

I've converted my company, which normally makes judicial gowns and graduation caps and gowns and such, over to making washable, reusable masks.

They're not as good as N95 masks, but a lot of hospitals are using these kinds of masks over an N95 mask, then washing our mask daily, to preserve the N95 for additional uses. And ours are pretty good for an ordinary consumer going shopping, or person still working at a place like a grocery store.

[If anyone wants to buy one, shoot me a PM and I will send you a link.]

 

[Zardnaar]

I've converted my company, which normally makes judicial gowns and graduation caps and gowns and such, over to making washable, reusable masks.

They're not as good as N95 masks, but a lot of hospitals are using these kinds of masks over an N95 mask, then washing our mask daily, to preserve the N95 for additional uses. And ours are pretty good for an ordinary consumer going shopping, or person still working at a place like a grocery store.

[If anyone wants to buy one, shoot me a PM and I will send you a link.]

Some fashion firms here are doing the same thing using whatever they have.

Some are going to be made out of silk and merrino wool.

 

[Zardnaar]

That was Merkel's statement for German population.

But, you are right. Plan is to slow the rate of infection so health system is not overwhelmed with critical patients.

And if there is no vaccine in sight, only way to battle it, would be to gain herd immunity and hope that virus does not mutate too much for built up immunity.

I got yelled at about a week ago when I said there's another way.

Outbreed it. We don't know what the long term effects will be but might have to deal with it 1920s style.

As I said hard core ideology types on both sides might get their worldview kicked in.

We don't know the long term effects yet so who knows.

In my harbor we have Quarantine Island. Our great grand parents dealt with it so will we.

We might not like the results. Might not have a choice.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Sometimes, life doesn’t give you any good choices, just various more/less bad ones.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

They made it simple here. All takeaways and restaurants closed. In 10 hours we're in level 4 lockdown. Big box stores also closing.

Big box hardware stores can supply trades but not normal retail.

Here in the US, a lot of people below the poverty line, or a little above, but still lower class or lower-middle class, rarely have even a week's worth of groceries in their homes. But why bother with that when grocery stores are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and there are restaurants everywhere. It is because of this that restaurants that can survive on take-out and delivery, and grocery and convenience stores, are considered essential businesses, and allowed to stay open in all but the most strict situations.

Gas stations (with or without an attached convenience store), hardware stores and auto parts stores are the same and stay open to the public.

 

[Zardnaar]

Sometimes, life doesn’t give you any good choices, just various more/less bad ones.

Yup bad, worse awful. Pick one.

Crazy panic buying apparently today with 4 week lock down.

People stocked up for 14 days of self isolation. Not 4 weeks. Supermarkets are open but what happens if staff don't turn up or get sick?

Quietly stocked up over the last 3 weeks, had to pressure the wife into it.

"I've ordered more" didn't comprehend the difference between ordering and receiving. Now we're in lockdown probably can't get that order.

Didn't get as much as I wanted, overlooked some things but avoided the worst of the panic buying.

You're all doom and gloom. Response we'll be in lockdown by the end of the week. Won't be surprised if it's the middle.

Today's Wednesday.

 

[Coroc]

I got yelled at about a week ago when I said there's another way.

Outbreed it. We don't know what the long term effects will be but might have to deal with it 1920s style.

As I said hard core ideology types on both sides might get their worldview kicked in.

We don't know the long term effects yet so who knows.

In my harbor we have Quarantine Island. Our great grand parents dealt with it so will we.

We might not like the results. Might not have a choice.

It is better to combat it any way you can. It might leave scarred lung tissue and it also can afflict younger people. But my worry is how long any sort of quarantine could go on. One or two years is the wrong answer here, it is more like one or two month at best for most areas in the world.

Prob. is, every severe case needs a ICU bed evtly with artificial respiration. That is one bed not available for some ordinary woes like a appendix infection or some injured car crash victim.

That is the delimiter. So everyone arguing to insulate the risk patients and/or to let it run wild is batshit crazy and has not thought this through in all consequences.

 

[Zardnaar]

It is better to combat it any way you can. It might leave scarred lung tissue and it also can afflict younger people. But my worry is how long any sort of quarantine could go on. One or two years is the wrong answer here, it is more like one or two month at best for most areas in the world.

Prob. is, every severe case needs a ICU bed evtly with artificial respiration. That is one bed not available for some ordinary woes like a appendix infection or some injured car crash victim.

That is the delimiter. So everyone arguing to insulate the risk patients and/or to let it run wild is batshit crazy and has not thought this through in all consequences.

They made those decisions in Italy and Spain. We've had 0 deaths, 6 in ICU, 0 on ventilator.

200 cases we might make it reasonably alright.

 

[ad_hoc]

It is better to combat it any way you can. It might leave scarred lung tissue and it also can afflict younger people. But my worry is how long any sort of quarantine could go on. One or two years is the wrong answer here, it is more like one or two month at best for most areas in the world.

Prob. is, every severe case needs a ICU bed evtly with artificial respiration. That is one bed not available for some ordinary woes like a appendix infection or some injured car crash victim.

That is the delimiter. So everyone arguing to insulate the risk patients and/or to let it run wild is batshit crazy and has not thought this through in all consequences.

Depends on what you mean by 'quarantine'.

In Canada if you are a recent traveler or suspect you have had close contact with someone who might have it then you are to go into 14 day isolation. That means not leaving your house for anything, even groceries.

Everyone in the country is expected to practice social distancing. That means only leaving the house for essential tasks like grocery shopping or to get some walking exercise. Groups no larger than 2 people.

The federal health minister has stated that social distancing will probably be in effect for months. I commented to my doctor today (via telephone) about being in for 3-4 months and she said to expect longer.