Pathfinder 2E Release Day Second Edition Amazon Sales Rank

gss000

Explorer
I don't know this for a fact, but others have looked at the Amazon rankings and evidently it doesn't take a large change in volume (number of books) to drastically affect the rankings. So that big drop in the rankings isn't such a large drop in actual books sold.

I do look at the estimated sales from the rank, and in some ways you're right. By this one calculator I use, any given rank gives you a certain sales per day and sales per month (not the same since Amazon rank weighs daily sales morr than monthly). And you're right that the absolute number isn't that big. But then think of the percentage. Until relatively recently, the 6000s were the bottom ranks for P2, now it's the 10000s. That is a 35-50% drop in Amazon sales in a couple of months. Is that trend a good one if this sticks for long? That's what I care about. Because of all the qualifiers and uncertainties, the absolute number is not as important in trying to determine the health of the game. If things stay where they are or continue to decline like they have ever since August, I'm going to doubt rosy prognostications without some other indicator of sales numbers or general interest.

People like to argue that these sales don't mean as much because of the direct and store sales. However, they are taking on new meaning because of recent events. Diamond Comics, which I think is a major Paizo distributor as far as I can tell (correct me if I'm wrong), is no longer shipping new product to comic stores because of the coronavirus. We may have a very unfortunate test of how good Paizo direct sales are if other major distributors follow.
 

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Porridge

Explorer
One interesting resource I just found that sheds some light on this:

Amazon Sales Estimator - Estimate Monthly Sales Volume per Product

Just plug in the ISBN-10 number for the product (e.g., 0786965606 for the PHB 5e book, 1640781684 for the Core PF2 book, and so on), and it provides a scaleable graph of the product's daily Amazon sales ranking over the last 2 years.

If you zoom into the 1 month scale, you can see a clear inflection point around March 14th when the sales rankings for both the PHB 5e and Core PF2 books start dropping below their usual range.
 

dave2008

Legend
One interesting resource I just found that sheds some light on this:

Amazon Sales Estimator - Estimate Monthly Sales Volume per Product

Just plug in the ISBN-10 number for the product (e.g., 0786965606 for the PHB 5e book, 1640781684 for the Core PF2 book, and so on), and it provides a scaleable graph of the product's daily Amazon sales ranking over the last 2 years.

If you zoom into the 1 month scale, you can see a clear inflection point around March 14th when the sales rankings for both the PHB 5e and Core PF2 books start dropping below their usual range.
I wonder why that would be! ;)
 

gss000

Explorer
One interesting resource I just found that sheds some light on this:

Amazon Sales Estimator - Estimate Monthly Sales Volume per Product

Just plug in the ISBN-10 number for the product (e.g., 0786965606 for the PHB 5e book, 1640781684 for the Core PF2 book, and so on), and it provides a scaleable graph of the product's daily Amazon sales ranking over the last 2 years.

If you zoom into the 1 month scale, you can see a clear inflection point around March 14th when the sales rankings for both the PHB 5e and Core PF2 books start dropping below their usual range.

Thank you! I was using the Sales Rank Express to track weekly sales rank for a publisher, but a change in Amazon's algorithm before recent events just killed the tracker. Unless they find the timeto invest in an update, that is gone. This is cool. It'll be fun to compare it with Amazon Book Sales Calculator | TCK Publishing .

Thanks again!
 

Maybe they changed their mind.
Maybe sales have already dropped. (Seems awful fast to have reached that conclusion, be it correct or not)
Maybe Amazon is out of stock, but will get more in.
As with everything else, just not enough data to give real answers.

My question is is the AP support not quite up to snuff to convince people to switch or stay put. First one was ok, but this circus one sounded to wacky( to me at least)
 

Porridge

Explorer
My question is is the AP support not quite up to snuff to convince people to switch or stay put. First one was ok, but this circus one sounded to wacky( to me at least)

That’s intentional. Paizo tries to stagger it’s APs so that it releases one “mainstream” AP and one more experimental AP each year (though sometimes scheduling issues result in back to back mainstream or back to back experimental APs). So looking at the APs they‘ve produced for the PF1 ruleset (from newest to oldest):

Tyrant's Grasp (experimental: post-apocalyptic horror)
Return of the Runelords
War for the Crown (experimental: heavy political intrigue)
Ruins of Azlant
Ironfang Invasion
Strange Aeons (experimental: Lovecraftian horror)
Hell's Vengeance (experimental: evil PCs)
Hell's Rebels
Giantslayer
Iron Gods (experimental: sci-fi)
Mummy's Mask
Wrath of the Righteous (experimental: mythic)
Reign of Winter
Shattered Star
Skull & Shackles (experimental: pirates)
Jade Regent
Carrion Crown (experimental: horror)
Serpent's Skull
Kingmaker (experimental: kingdom building)
Council of Thieves

And they’re just continuing that pattern in PF2. Age of Ashes was the mainstream AP of the year, and Extinction Curse is the more experimental AP (a traveling circus troupe saves the day!).

The next AP after this (Agents of Edgewatch) is another more mainstream one.
 
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Demoyn

Villager
My question is is the AP support not quite up to snuff to convince people to switch or stay put. First one was ok, but this circus one sounded to wacky( to me at least)

I doubt that's the case. The more likely cause is that after six months of being on the market people have realized that the game just isn't any good. Paizo's foray into Pathfinder began when WotC released 4e and people wanted an alternative to a watered down version of what was once a fun game. They established an entire market based on this, and then turned around and released a second edition which is a watered down version of what was once a fun game. If people want that why would they need to go to a secondary market when there's already a primary market of the exact same thing currently having a resurgence (D&D 5e)?

Honestly, the only thing that doesn't make sense in what little of the sales statistics we can see is why there was a spike in sales over a month ago (early tax returns maybe?). Everything else has been exactly as expected since the beta was made available for public consumption.
 




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