That particular check never states it's not needed either. You've arbitrarily decided that recalling lore doesn't need a check. That's fine but that doesn't mean it might not need that check.
Boy, you
AREN'T recalling lore, you are adventuring FOR IT! No where under
crafting magic items is recalling lore mentioned. Oh, and in case you never realized it, you can make an Intelligence check for "lore"
without proficiency in Arcana.
First, you need the formula for the magic item. You aren't recalling it, you have to find it. It is part of the adventure of crafting such items. Once you have the formula, you need the materials and will adventure for some (most? all? up to the DM... several examples are given) of those as well. You also need the time and money covering other expenses (other materials, tool, etc.). Finally, you need the tool proficiency for crafting the item OR proficiency in the Arcana skill. Notice in the text it says "or", not "and".
Once you have proficiency in the tool
or Arcana, have the formula or "recipe", special materials, and money for extras, you spend the time and
voilà! new magic item.
How did you think the fighter understood what ingredients he was looking for, or randomly encountered if actively looking for items that might be used for crafting magic items? Or recognized what the recipe was in the first place?
He adventured for that knowledge. Maybe he found a tome or plans with details on it? Maybe the DM had him travel to an ancient library and he had to make an Intelligence (Investigation) check to find it? I don't care, that is up to the DM. But, he certainly doesn't just
know what he needs by having Arcana or making a check.
The lack of an explicit check is not the same thing as no checks will be required. The quest portion is designed by the DM and that means expect relevant checks. The relevant checks for recalling lore with magic items is arcana.
Ok, even if the DM rules checks are needed (note, Arcana proficiency is NOT, it is an Intelligence check and the DM can grant you your proficiency bonus if the PC has it, but the PC certainly is NOT required to...) duing the course of the adventure, when it comes to
crafting the magic item and mixing the "stew" together, there is no check involved.
Just as there is not check involved if you spend the time and money making a normal sword or suit of leather armor. All that is required is the tool proficiency, time, and money. The DM can impose a check for success if they wish, of course they can, but it isn't part of the system.
Hello whut?
Lol, it's my topic so please reread the title of the thread and the first post that included crafting spell scrolls for EK's.
Hmm... well, we were discussing CRAFTING MAGIC ITEMS, not scribing spell scrolls. I don't care if it was part of your OP, it wasn't part of our discussion. If it makes you feel any better, of course you need Arcana for spells scrolls, it is written right there under the section on
Scribing a Spell Scroll.
The section on
crafting magic items only mentions proficiency in Arcana one time, as an
option if you lack the necessary tool proficiency.
I don't need to show that. The final step is only a part of the process. That's what final step means. Show me quests that don't use checks relevant to the goals of the quest.
LOL of course you
won't because you
can't. You keep saying you need proficiency in Arcana for
crafting magic items and you simply don't. You need tool proficiency (or Arcana) and even if your DM requires checks, they are Intelligence checks. I'm not saying having proficiency in Arcana won't help with
those checks, but the simple fact is you don't NEED proficiency in Arcana.
My original points:
- you don't need proficiency in Arcana (you said you do, but as we both know that it is only needed in the case of scribing spell scrolls).
- you don't need to make a check (of any) kind to succeed in crafting the magic item provided you have the tool proficiency or Arcana proficiency, the formula, special materials, time, and money. The DM can add one, but it isn't part of the system as presented.
Arcana is
only necessary in the case of spell scrolls. Period.