Unearthed Arcana Why UA Psionics are never going to work in 5e.

[Jharet]

Pathfinder has Ultimate Psionics from Dreamscarred Press. They expanded it to Mythic Psionics as well. Pretty awesome work. Well balanced and a lot of fun.

 

[Aldarc]

Are you seriously arguing that humans in the game don't act like humans, because D&D? Because if you are, then every single person that I've ever seen roleplay a human PC has done it wrong.

I'm just assuming that humans in the game act similar to humans outside of the game.

I'm saying that you sound incredibly silly arguing that magic in a children's elf game has to follow your strict assumptions about "limiters."

 

[Maxperson]

I'm saying that you sound incredibly silly arguing that magic in a children's elf game has to follow your strict assumptions about "limiters."

Some of us care about logical consequences and what things mean. Others don't care if things make sense or not. I'm one of those that cares.

 

[Aldarc]

Some of us care about logical consequences and what things mean. Others don't care if things make sense or not. I'm one of those that cares.

Maybe a bit too much, and simply caring doesn't mean that you are somehow right about the things you care about. It just means you look silly arguing about "logic"* in a children's elf game.

* IME, most appeals to logic - particularly on the Internet - are red flags for the illogical.

 

[Maxperson]

Maybe a bit too much, and simply caring doesn't mean that you are somehow right about the things you care about. It just means you look silly arguing about "logic"* in a children's elf game.

Just because something is made up, doesn't mean that logic and common sense cannot be applied to it. Simply saying, "But it's make believe." isn't sufficient to counter the argument, making that a fallacy. I don't know if there's an established fallacy that applies, but if not, one should be created for it.

 

[Cap'n Kobold]

What's so difficult about it? Any Barbarian PC who meets the stat requirements can pick it up in a day. 1st to 2nd level and then multi-class.

Particularly in settings such as Eberron, PCs are extremely rare and special.
Your average magic-using professional is a magewright, who only knows one or two spells that they can cast as rituals.

Wizards, who can produce a spell's effects in a few seconds, and who may know over a dozen different spells are essentially magical savants.

 

[Maxperson]

Particularly in settings such as Eberron, PCs are extremely rare and special.
Your average magic-using professional is a magewright, who only knows one or two spells that they can cast as rituals.

Wizards, who can produce a spell's effects in a few seconds, and who may know over a dozen different spells are essentially magical savants.

I don't care how special a PC is. If something that should take years of learning to accomplish can be done by a PC in literally 1 day without any prior preparation at all, it creates a very large disconnect.

 

[Aldarc]

Just because something is made up, doesn't mean that logic and common sense cannot be applied to it. Simply saying, "But it's make believe." isn't sufficient to counter the argument, making that a fallacy. I don't know if there's an established fallacy that applies, but if not, one should be created for it.

Sure, but you are presuming that you are actually applying common sense and logic logically - which has not yet been proven - and that no other alternatives about "limiters" could exist but your own. So your whole "logic" argument comes across as "Max's One True Wayism" about how "limiters" must necessarily exist because of a presumed causality and ordering of a magical society in a children's elf game. Chill the freak out, Max. Your "caring" comes across a bit extreme.

 

[Maxperson]

Sure, but you are presuming that you are actually applying common sense and logic logically - which has not yet been proven - and that no other alternatives about "limiters" could exist but your own. So your whole "logic" argument comes across as "Max's One True Wayism" about how "limiters" must necessarily exist because of a presumed causality and ordering of a magical society in a children's elf game. Chill the freak out, Max. Your "caring" comes across a bit extreme.

So explain how without some sort of limitation and far more than enough time for the world to end up with spellcasters as common as Eberron, that the settings don't end up like Eberron.

Oh, and don't tell me to "chill out." I'm not upset.

 

[Cap'n Kobold]

I don't care how special a PC is. If something that should take years of learning to accomplish can be done by a PC in literally 1 day without any prior preparation at all, it creates a very large disconnect.

Why pick on the disconnect regarding magic?
A wizard learning the hundreds of weapon techniques that a 1st level fighter has spent years training themselves to perform? A warlock spends a few hours contemplating their navel and achieves a mastery of ki that many who have spent their lives meditating in a monastery never reach?

Why does it take a person years to learn a trade, a PC a few months some of the time, and overnight at other times?
There are disconnects in D&D.