Unearthed Arcana Revived, Noble Genie and Archivist Revisited in UA

The latest Unearthed Arcana replaces the Revived, Noble Genie, and Archivist subclasses with new versions called the Phantom, the Genie, and the Order of Scribes.

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[FlyingChihuahua]

Considering they have been saying since the very first UA that nothing in them has been balanced yet for multi-class play, I would hope the regulars who give feedback would not still be that dense.......or stubborn. lol

Usually, the sign only goes up after someone has tried it.

 

[Charlaquin]

Is anybody else bothered by the fact that Djinni is a type of Genie? Like... I guess that has been the case in D&D all along, but... That table just makes it extra glaring.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Is anybody else bothered by the fact that Djinni is a type of Genie? Like... I guess that has been the case in D&D all along, but... That table just makes it extra glaring.

I've never really been bothered by it

 

[Minigiant]

That could work, too, in my mind. I think that the Bard fits better, with what they're doing with the Eloquence and Creation bards, but Ranger or Blood Hunter also makes sense.

I was thinking both

A truenamer bard and a truenamer ranger. Even a artificer

Lexicon of the Evolving Mind Bard
Lexicon of the Crafted Tool Artificer
Lexicon of the Perfected Map Ranger

 

[Parmandur]

Is anybody else bothered by the fact that Djinni is a type of Genie? Like... I guess that has been the case in D&D all along, but... That table just makes it extra glaring.

I try not to think too hard about the mythological consistency of D&D.

 

[Sword of Spirit]

Initial thoughts:

-This Genie pact is way better, because its design grants it a variety of genie-themed things, rather than being a niche one-trick pony like the previous one. Also, personally, I can make it work as a Sha'ir. It's not exact (but it was never going to be--and shouldn't because sha'ir was mechanically borked even in its own edition), and I'd have to allow mephits for Pact of the Chain to represent a gen, but I'd say it's sufficient.

-I would like Order of the Scribes more if they got rid of the "pet" element. That very concept is rather niche, and I'm concerned about how regularly I'm seeing it. I don't see why that is either needed or appropriate to this particular wizard subclass. "I'm very devoted to the written magical word, and therefore I have a pet" doesn't seem to follow, and a subclass's mechanics need to follow from its concept. If they retooled it a bit to nix the pet stuff and work on the feel, it could become a generalist wizard.

So basically, we have a Warlock that can work for a Sha'ir, and a Wizard that they could potentially put through another round of revision to work as a Generalist Mage. Not bad.

Anyone else think Order of the Scribes has Generalist Mage potential if they ditch the pet?

 

[cbwjm]

Caught this bit at the end of the UA:

"Regarding other wizard subclasses, we can share that neither of the wizard subclasses we’ve presented in Unearthed Arcana recently—Onomancy and Psionics— will be moving forward in our development process, since they didn’t appeal to enough people and we can explore those subclasses’ themes in other ways. "

It's a shame because I quite liked the psionic wizard subclass and would have liked to see how it developed with the new psionic dice mechanic. Although I have switched it over myself so I guess it isn't that big a deal if it doesn't become official.

 

[Parmandur]

Initial thoughts:

-This Genie pact is way better, because its design grants it a variety of genie-themed things, rather than being a niche one-trick pony like the previous one. Also, personally, I can make it work as a Sha'ir. It's not exact (but it was never going to be--and shouldn't because sha'ir was mechanically borked even in its own edition), and I'd have to allow mephits for Pact of the Chain to represent a gen, but I'd say it's sufficient.

-I would like Order of the Scribes more if they got rid of the "pet" element. That very concept is rather niche, and I'm concerned about how regularly I'm seeing it. I don't see why that is either needed or appropriate to this particular wizard subclass. "I'm very devoted to the written magical word, and therefore I have a pet" doesn't seem to follow, and a subclass's mechanics need to follow from its concept. If they retooled it a bit to nix the pet stuff and work on the feel, it could become a generalist wizard.

So basically, we have a Warlock that can work for a Sha'ir, and a Wizard that they could potentially put through another round of revision to work as a Generalist Mage. Not bad.

Anyone else think Order of the Scribes has Generalist Mage potential if they ditch the pet?

Here's a thought: take the Order of the Scribe, call it a Sha'ir.

 

[cbwjm]

It will likely appear in November, in a book titled:
<Proper Noun>'s <Term for Book> to/of <Noun>s

Like Zagyg's Lexicon of Mystery or Tenser's Folio of Wonders or Elminster's Logbook to Adventurers.

Bigby's Guide to Hands.

 

[Jester David]

Bigby's Guide to Hands.

Or Bigby's Handy Guide...