Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

[Umbran]

Maybe the producers felt that since they were speaking Klingon anyway, why worry about being able to clearly speak through the prosthetics? Of course, they should have realized a significant part of the fanbase speaks fluent Klingon!

Well, I didn't care so much about the Klingon diction. I wanted more tonal differences in the speech, which they could not deliver in all that stuff.

 

[Umbran]

Until we see leisure suits and wide lapels and catch dance fever, please don’t abbreviate Discovery as “Disco”.

Dude, they abbreviate it to that on official merch. That horse has left the barn.

 

[Umbran]

Another funny thing; the stuff from the FASA games, the Star Trek RPG and the space combat board game, were actually considered to be canon by mutual agreement and licensing. Until that was recently erased.

Yeah, well, I kind of think erasing that was appropriate. Having a whole bunch of cannon that most of the fans has never seen? Bad idea.

 

[Hussar]

Umm, going with hand to hand weapons isn't really out of place in Star Trek is it? I mean, Klingons go in with knives and bat-leths (or however you spell that) pretty much every episode that features Klingons. Granted, fair enough, Romulan ninja is a bit out there, but, not really any further out there than most of the ideas.

I gotta echo the sentiment of "that's what you find out of place?"

 

[MrZeddaPiras]

Umm, going with hand to hand weapons isn't really out of place in Star Trek is it? I mean, Klingons go in with knives and bat-leths (or however you spell that) pretty much every episode that features Klingons. Granted, fair enough, Romulan ninja is a bit out there, but, not really any further out there than most of the ideas.

I gotta echo the sentiment of "that's what you find out of place?"

I find out of place a whole bunch of things, I don't know why this one got picked on And again, I have no problems with melee weapons per se. It's the "let's go hire a samurai" idea I don't buy.

 

[MrZeddaPiras]

I mean, OK? You just repeated yourself; I understood the first time. You think a guy in Picard using a sword makes no sense, but you're OK with all that other stuff. I mean, I don't know where we go from there, as we don't share any common ground at all. I don't know why, after 50 years of Star Trek not making sense, we suddenly demand it has to make sense?

You can like one and not the other. I have no problem with that (though I might disagree with your taste). But why not just say that, rather than struggling to justify logically how one is different to the other, when -- while they may be different in some ephemeral taste thing that doesn't speak to you -- they're emphatically not different in the ways you say they are? Picking "making sense" as your differentiator is just nonsensical. It never made sense, it still doesn't. It's Star Trek.

I'm sorry, I thought it was clear I don't like most choices they made in Picard and Disco. And that doesn't help my suspension of disbelief. But can we agree they are tonal changes? That Apollo's Temple and samurais for hire are not the same kind of thing? And I don't agree that Star Trek was always a bunch of nonsense. It had a pretty consistent narrative pact, and this is not it. Then of course, if our benchmark is Spock's Brain or Dr Crusher's Ghost Lover, we can never complain of anything ever again, though I believe that most of Kurtzman's stuff is in that ballpark in terms of quality.

 

[Hussar]

"Narrative pact"? Now, there's a term I'm not familiar with. What does it mean?

 

[trappedslider]

"Narrative pact"? Now, there's a term I'm not familiar with. What does it mean?

This what I found via google
The author wants to tell me a story and I agree to hear it. I agree to suspend my disbelief, and they agree to be honest with me when telling me their story.

 

[MrZeddaPiras]

"Narrative pact"? Now, there's a term I'm not familiar with. What does it mean?

Yes, apologies, I just realized the term doesn't have much currency outside my home country. The narrative pact is defined as "an unspoken agreement by which the reader suspends partially and temporarily their critical faculties to accept as true a story they know to be largely fictitious." Basically, the author buys your suspension of disbelief by making a claim for internal consistency and sticking to it. Most times a breach of the narrative pact is what happens when a show "jumps the shark". GoT after season 4. Anything by Steven Moffat after three seasons. Walking Dead with Negan. Star Trek with Klingons as Talibans, casual murdering of villains and, well... samurais. Note that this has very little to do with adherence to canon.

 

[Ryujin]

Yeah, well, I kind of think erasing that was appropriate. Having a whole bunch of cannon that most of the fans has never seen? Bad idea.

And I would say that eliminating a whole bunch of canon that was frequently based on references from the original series and TOS movies, that fans could be introduced to, was a massive lost opportunity.