Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

[billd91]

And I would say that eliminating a whole bunch of canon that was frequently based on references from the original series and TOS movies, that fans could be introduced to, was a massive lost opportunity.

It's also a massive new opportunity because they aren't beholden to those references either.

 

[Umbran]

And I would say that eliminating a whole bunch of canon that was frequently based on references from the original series and TOS movies, that fans could be introduced to, was a massive lost opportunity.

How? As if they cannot re-introduce it any time they want?

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

It's also a massive new opportunity because they aren't beholden to those references either.

I agree with you. Canon often acts as a straitjacket to creativity, and can embolden bad fan behavior.

....but. I do understand those that complain when canon is violated. For two reasons:

1. When we talk about a suspension of disbelief, a violation of canon, for those that care about it deeply, often will taken them out of the story. Instead of being able to enjoy the story, they are caught up in why it doesn't make sense.

2. If someone invests a lot of time and passion into a fictional world and the rules in it, it often ... well, it can feel personal when the investment is invalidated by a new crop of people running the IP. I'm not saying that it's right or correct to feel that way, or that there is that type of ownership, but I can understand why people feel that way.

 

[Ryujin]

How? As if they cannot re-introduce it any time they want?

They've already whitewashed over a bunch of major beats from the canon that they expressly invalidated. Would it be any more right to walk all over what they created in the interim? I do think that they learnt a fair bit from the backlash over "Discovery", as they've walked some things back, but they had already lost me by then and may lose the fans who loved the direction that they were going in, then. From where I sit it's better to not screw up (from my point of view) in the first place.

To the point made by @Snarf Zagyg, just tossing out major point from a long running franchise can feel like a slap in the face to the fans, who have followed it through its various incarnations. It's not what I'd call a sense of ownership or entitlement, but rather a belittling of that prior support by the production company.

 

[Umbran]

They've already whitewashed over a bunch of major beats from the canon that they expressly invalidated.

Not knowing what you're referring to, I can't really decide if I agree with you.

But, let us be clear - we are talking about canon from a game that hasn't been around for 30 years. I think expecting them to be bound by that is... not reasonable.

To the point made by @Snarf Zagyg, just tossing out major point from a long running franchise can feel like a slap in the face to the fans...

I am sorry, but I have so little sympathy for entitled fan behavior at this point that to me this is more an argument in favor of defying continuity, rather than against it.

 

[Umbran]

I find out of place a whole bunch of things, I don't know why this one got picked on And again, I have no problems with melee weapons per se. It's the "let's go hire a samurai" idea I don't buy.

You folks... completely miss the fact that he's not hiring just any old samurai. He's not even HIRING him - this isn't about money. He's going to find someone who will completely, totally, and unequivocally have his back. What weapons he uses are not the primary issue - what matters is this guy knows how to fight in general, and under no circumstances will betray Picard.

Loyalty is more important than weapon of choice, folks.

And, proof is in the pudding, as this guy doesn't seem to get disintegrated by a disruptor, so....

 

[Snarf Zagyg]

I am sorry, but I have so little sympathy for entitled fan behavior at this point that to me this is more an argument in favor of defying continuity, rather than against it.

I'm not sure that's really fair, is it? I think you're confusing toxic fan behavior, which can take many forms, with what people like.

I am quite sure that there are things that they could do to Star Trek that would have you up in arms that fall under "continuity" or "canon" that you don't even think about.

What if they had a show that retconned the Klingon Empire to be a pacifist, hippy race that went around the Galaxy spreading good vibes?

What if they they said that, in fact, Jedi were in Star Trek and that all of Star Trek really took place in a galaxy far far away a long time ago?

What if the whole story about Picard was that he had been secretly molesting all the kids on the Enterprise, and that this was just a show about his trial?


...the whole thing about certain IP, from Star Trek to Buffy to anything, really, is that part of the appeal of the IP is the comfort, the continuity, and the canon that it represents.

There will always be a push/pull between innovating new things and respect/continuity with the old. Because if you have no respect at all for that which came before, you might as well not be using that IP at all. If you don't care about the canon or continuity of Star Trek at all, why bother making it a Star Trek show?

In short, this is dangerously close to William Shatner's "Get A Life" speech from SNL, except without any of the humor.

 

[Ryujin]

Not knowing what you're referring to, I can't really decide if I agree with you.

But, let us be clear - we are talking about canon from a game that hasn't been around for 30 years. I think expecting them to be bound by that is... not reasonable.

Two, off the top of my head; The Four Years' War (Klingons) and the Romulan War.

I am sorry, but I have so little sympathy for entitled fan behavior at this point that to me this is more an argument in favor of defying continuity, rather than against it.

Have as little sympathy as you like. Not all fans who feel put out by this are entitled, nor toxic.

 

[Dire Bare]

Dude, they abbreviate it to that on official merch. That horse has left the barn.

They use that abbreviation in the show, in-universe! There are a few scenes with Burnham and Tilly jogging around the ship, wearing "DISCO" t-shirts!

 

[MrZeddaPiras]

You folks... completely miss the fact that he's not hiring just any old samurai. He's not even HIRING him - this isn't about money. He's going to find someone who will completely, totally, and unequivocally have his back. What weapons he uses are not the primary issue - what matters is this guy knows how to fight in general, and under no circumstances will betray Picard.

Loyalty is more important than weapon of choice, folks.

And, proof is in the pudding, as this guy doesn't seem to get disintegrated by a disruptor, so....

Actually, unless I completely misremember the episode, it's the other way around. Picard goes to that planet to hire a samurai nun, because they're the best fighters in the galaxy, and finds out the kid has not been adopted but instead trained to be a male nun samurai. Cue the absent father storyline. And by the way Picard has plenty of people who would never betray him and can fire a weapon.