D&D and the rising pandemic

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

Protesting mostly a waste of time IMHO and has been since the 90's.

It's also often counter productive.

Some are counterproductive, but is also an integral part to American society. I don't want this to turn into a politics debate, but protesting is a right granted by America's first amendment. It is important.

It's mostly just a way to blow of steam, polititians ignore them for the most part.

Not blow off steam. That's ranting or venting. Protesting is a way to try to catch attention to get things changed.

The success rate is stupidly low iirc, politics papers at uni said they fail about 75%-90% of the time.

Protests got us the Civil Rights Movement, Women's Right to Vote, and many other changes in America. You're in New Zealand, right? Maybe it hasn't changed much there, but it does change things here.

Intellectually I understand, pragmatically there's better things to do with your time that are more effective.

I literally have nothing to do better with my time. The fact that you and I are on this website is proof of this fact.

 

[Zardnaar]

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Yep don't smash that like button.

I'm more interested in what works. Taking to the streets generally doesn't.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I'm more interested in what works. Taking to the streets generally doesn't.

Any evidence for this?

 

[Zardnaar]

Some are counterproductive, but is also an integral part to American society. I don't want this to turn into a politics debate, but protesting is a right granted by America's first amendment. It is important.

Not blow off steam. That's ranting or venting. Protesting is a way to try to catch attention to get things changed.

Protests got us the Civil Rights Movement, Women's Right to Vote, and many other changes in America. You're in New Zealand, right? Maybe it hasn't changed much there, but it does change things here.

I literally have nothing to do better with my time. The fact that you and I are on this website is proof of this fact.

It also caused a lot of blowback leading to events in the 70s and 80s that ultimately got us here. That blowback destroyed a few things that would be useful over the last 40 years.

 

[Zardnaar]

Any evidence for this?

I posted a link on another site where things are allowed to be discussed but it's also politics at University where things like that can be studied.

But the success rate if revolutions are bad, street protests even worse.

In America you need the house, presidency, and senate and have a law to clear the supreme court.

To amend the constitution requires 75% of the states to sign off.

The military also doesn't support drastic change putting it mildly.

So to change things you need to win power at the state, local and federal level. Electoral boundaries can get redone every 10years, 2010 was the last time it was done iirc.

Problem is if street protests escalate and others join in you tend to make things a lot worse shirt term.

That's assuming your side wins.

Normally a big event is required. War, depression, government collapse etc.

What needs to be done and what gets done are two different things. Things are falling apart faster than 1929 and I don't disagree to much with this.
Umair Haque: Is America really screwed?


I read different experts a d we have our own here

 

[Umbran]

The success rate is stupidly low iirc, politics papers at uni said they fail about 75%-90% of the time.

You quote a range so wide as to be useless, likely made up out of thin air, and not compared to a control.

Intellectually I understand

Oh?

The issue at hand has a lot to do with comfortable people judging others.

And you are... sitting half a world away, unaffected, judging others. So, lacking the understanding of that basic irony, I don't feel you understand much of it at all.

Be that as it may, the effectiveness of protests is not germane to the covid-19 discussion.

 

[Zardnaar]

You quote a range so wide as to be useless, likely made up out of thin air, and not compared to a control.



Oh?

The issue at hand has a lot to do with comfortable people judging others.

And you are... sitting half a world away, unaffected, judging others. So, lacking the understanding of that basic irony, I don't feel you understand much of it at all.

Be that as it may, the effectiveness of protests is not germane to the covid-19 discussion.

We also wiped out Covid by not doing large scale crowd gatherings using emergency powers.

May as well protest though because containment was a failure anyway.

Not sure how much leeway but there's a lot of systematic failures dating back 40 odd years.

Numbers weren't made up, I can dig up the relevant things if I have to. Failure rates are really high though, espicially for violence.

Also crossed over into revolutions. The links are buried in a locked 1000 response thread on another forum.

We predicted riots back in March. We were two weeks off in the timeline thinking they would start mid June.

Lockdown talks started in January and we had similar conversions in March.

 

[ad_hoc]

Normally a big event is required. War, depression, government collapse etc.

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[Levistus's_Leviathan]

It also caused a lot of blowback leading to events in the 70s and 80s that ultimately got us here. That blowback destroyed a few things that would be useful over the last 40 years.

I wasn't alive back then, so you're going to have to give specifics.

 

[Umbran]

Numbers weren't made up, I can dig up the relevant things if I have to. Failure rates are really high though, espicially for violence.

Folks have been trying to address these and related issues for decades to centuries. Since they are as yet unsolved, it is reasonable to say that all failure rates are really high. So, don't bother to pull up your numbers, as they are not meaningful. Changing the world is hard. Duh.

What you continue to fail to recognize is that covid-19 is not the only problem in the world. Folks here have problems you do not. Your passing judgement on how they prioritize them... is probably not appropriate.

And I will leave it at that.