D&D 5E How should be the future Oriental Adventures.

[JiffyPopTart]

Instead of complaining about the methods some are using to air and publicize their grievances, why not assess the grievances on their merits? Maybe they have a point? Maybe something can be done? Maybe you’ll be the one with a solution.

 

[Derren]

Maybe in 2020 that is a fair viewpoint, but when I think of activists trying to tell me what I am allowed to consume I'm thinking of the Janet Jackson/Superbowl incident, boycotting TV shows with LGBT issues, and even the BADD satanic panic cancel culture of the 80s.

It's a tactic any side can employ, it's just currently one favored by progressive activists in the social media arena.

True, the satanic panic about D&D was pretty similar than what happens now. And didn't something similar happen to Harry Potter and accusations of witchtcraft?
On the other side we have people complaining that a lesbian actor is not lesbian enough to play a lesbian character on screen.

 

[Panda-s1]

But not all asians are saying that. Some even the opposite!

Also you just tell people what to do. Not very constructive.

well this Asian is saying that. drop the sales of OA.

also this argument makes no sense. some people who live on this Earth believe it's flat, that doesn't mean I have validate their beliefs or even come to a consensus over the nature of the shape of the Earth.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

Please, you can say "be careful, be cautious, be polite", but not "if you are Western the it's totally forbidden for you to write fiction set in a no-Westen civilitation". We shouldn't close that door if this could be a good hook to try help to know better those cultures. The own Asians are the first who would like to use the speculative fiction as a hook to introduce their own titles into the western market, to build a bridge between the different cultures. In the right hands the heroes from the speculative fiction could be good "ambassadors" in other countries.

If I create a homebred setting based in a mash-up of my favorite mangas, I add fantasy races, and real world is replaced with a fictional planet, who is going to complain about annoying stereotypes and why, why now and not when the original manga were published? If my stereotypes showed in my stories are annoying, then also should be when the originals where I get the ideas were published.

* What new PCs races based in Asian folklore would add to D&D?

 

[Mercurius]

well this Asian is saying that. drop the sales of OA.

also this argument makes no sense. some people who live on this Earth believe it's flat, that doesn't mean I have validate their beliefs or even come to a consensus over the nature of the shape of the Earth.

This is a false equivalency that weakens your argument. Saying "OA should remain available as a legacy product" and "the Earth is flat" aren't the same thing. At all.

 

[Panda-s1]

This is a false equivalency that weakens your argument. Saying "OA should remain available as a legacy product" and "the Earth is flat" aren't the same thing. At all.

nope. that's not the argument I'm making here. try again.

 

[Mercurius]

nope. that's not the argument I'm making here. try again.

So what are you saying, then? What do flat earthers have to do with anything?

 

[FrogReaver]

Remember when The Dixie Chicks got “cancelled” by the conservatives? Record burnings? Boycotting venues that played “rock & roll”?

Ever hear of the practice of”shunning”?

This “cancel culture” as people are calling it now is just a tool, and everyone uses it. Assuming things about the character of the people using boycotts, etc. isn’t going to win you any converts. They’ll just make assumptions about YOU.

Instead of complaining about the methods some are using to air and publicize their grievances, why not assess the grievances on their merits? Maybe they have a point? Maybe something can be done? Maybe you’ll be the one with a solution.

There's been alot of things shunned and boycotted due to the morality of the time. Does anyone here think those old time boycotts were right, fair and just? I get the other side used those methods a while ago but does that mean they are right? I actually think Social Media coupled with those methods are one of the biggest problems now. Imagine how different those previous boycotts would have been if they had Social Media at the time.

That's not to say we shouldn't consider the merits of the grievances. But I think we can and should consider both the grievances and the methods. Perhaps here isn't really the place to discuss the methods though?

 

[Panda-s1]

So what are you saying, then? What do flat earthers have to do with anything?

it was just an analogy. the argument I'm trying to make is just because some Asian people say it's okay doesn't invalidate other people's concern over OA.

 

[Mercurius]

it was just an analogy. the argument I'm trying to make is just because some Asian people say it's okay doesn't invalidate other people's concern over OA.

Yes, I agree. But the analogy doesn't work because it compares one thing that is demonstrably wrong based upon available science with another thing that is interpretive, subjective, and psychological in nature.