D&D 5E New Tasha's Blasters

[Hohige]

Stealth is hard to pull off in a party situation unless your whole party is geared around it, which generally does not happen in my experience.

Change your Mind. The Sorcerer uses Stealth as a defensive tatic. Casting at ranged or avoid be target while casting.

 

[Hohige]

Unless you have "pass without trace" +10 to stealth is amazing.

+12 with rerolls If fails is also amazing without concentration spell.

 

[Shadowedeyes]

Change your Mind. The Sorcerer uses Stealth as a defensive tatic. Casting at ranged or avoid be target while casting.

The enemy just ends up targeting a different member of the party in that case, and the party will still often mess up any attempts at surprise. Plus, depending on the terrain you'll be going through a bunch of Greater Invisibility spells.

 

[jgsugden]

Something to consider when you think about this in terms of optimization: Avoiding being hit is not optimal. It is a waste.

Lets's say that you have 70 hps at 10th level. The only time hps matter is when you lose your last one. If I take 69 damage between long rests, it does not matter if my PC has 70 hps or 700 - I am just as well off.

If you are never attacked, and those attacks go to another PC, that is up to 69 points of damage that you're adding to the damage your allies take. Rather than using up your available hps as a resource, you're negating any use that they have as a damage sponge for the other PCs.

I'd much rather have a blaster in my party that spent resources on being able to negate damage or heal allies rather than making sure I was being hit more often.

 

[Hohige]

Something to consider when you think about this in terms of optimization: Avoiding being hit is not optimal. It is a waste.

Lets's say that you have 70 hps at 10th level. The only time hps matter is when you lose your last one. If I take 69 damage between long rests, it does not matter if my PC has 70 hps or 700 - I am just as well off.

If you are never attacked, and those attacks go to another PC, that is up to 69 points of damage that you're adding to the damage your allies take. Rather than using up your available hps as a resource, you're negating any use that they have as a damage sponge for the other PCs.

I'd much rather have a blaster in my party that spent resources on being able to negate damage or heal allies rather than making sure I was being hit more often.

Then Divine Soul is ideal for your party. Extended Summon Celestial (Versatile summon) and Extended Aid (For nice damage sponge) is right choice for your party.
Twin Polymorph (300 HP damage sponge and 100 damage per turn), Twin Heal (140 healing) is always good.
He can do everything I mentioned (Your party loves you) and still be an Insane Blaster.

 

[jgsugden]

You're running out of spells. A Divine Soul only gets 12 known spells at level 10 (including their bonus). You can't do everything as a sorcerer ... and if you're using all those high level slots and sps to blast, you're not using them to do the other things, so you're overusing slots as well.

I've played two sorcerers to high levels. One was a divine soul, the other a wild magic sorcerer. I've also played a number of multiclass sorcerers (mostly Gish builds that focus on quickened spells, bonus action spells and reaction spells). The biggest problem for a sorcerer, in my experience, is finding ways to be versatile so that you can contribute when your forte is not the immediate need.

 

[Flamestrike]

Very Weak:
1) It's multiclass
2) It's situational (Darkness)
3) Pretty easy to fail on Stealth Checks.
4) You expend ALL until a short rest.


You have 3 feats. You can't Expertise in Stealth.

Gloom Stalker:
If you take the Attack action on that turn, you can make one additional weapon attack as part of that action. If that attack hits, the target takes an extra 1d8 damage of the weapon's damage type.

Your damage is: 6d8 (27 damage) + 6d6 (21) + 7d8 (31,5) + 90
If all hits 169,5.
If all hits.
But, +6 to hit vs 23 AC (18 AC + Shield Spell).
20% chance to hit = 32 damage.

If you are on Darkness (Situational)
You average damage is 80.


After nova. 32 damage per turn (If all hits). The Sorcerer can still blast the enemy for 1 minute. Dealing upcasted Schorching Ray for long time.
The sorcerer is clearly superior. And he is still a caster.

When you place a Multiclass and darkness situational, you have already lost. Go without Multiclass

Rangers have expertise in a skill now thanks to Tashas Canny feature. So I dont need a feat for expertise.

I get two extra attacks (I action surged and took the attack action twice on my turn) and both those attacks add an extra d8.

And how are you taking reactions to cast Shield when you're surprised (Stealth +13)?

I have six attacks at +6 dealing 1d8+1d6+15. Two of those attacks deal an extra 1d8. I also have 6 superiority dice (d8's) to spam on Precise strike (ensuring I hit) or on Menacing strike (to lay on an extra d8 damage and frighten). If I can fire from darkness, they're all at tri-vantage.

And no you cant upcast Scorching ray for a minute. After 3 rounds of doing it you're already out of SP and half your slots.

 

[Mistwell]

Sorcerers got much more powerful with Tasha's.

Stealth casting is not one of the meaningful things they got however. None of it holds up for real play. It's a highly situational thing they might do sometimes. But for the exact same reason the rogue got a new ability to compensate for their inability to adequately hide at range and attack that way for more than one round, the sorcerer isn't gaining much from stealth casting. Their position is constantly given away no matter how hard they are trying to stay hidden beyond that one attack. It just doesn't work as well in games as you think it will on paper.

As further proof of that: no other optimizers other than you are using it in their builds. It is not becoming a standard for optimizers. You seem to be the only person enamored with this concept. Which is fine. But I think you overplay it.

 

[Hohige]

Rangers have expertise in a skill now thanks to Tashas Canny feature. So I dont need a feat for expertise.

I get two extra attacks (I action surged and took the attack action twice on my turn) and both those attacks add an extra d8.

And how are you taking reactions to cast Shield when you're surprised (Stealth +13)?

I have six attacks at +6 dealing 1d8+1d6+15. Two of those attacks deal an extra 1d8. I also have 6 superiority dice (d8's) to spam on Precise strike (ensuring I hit) or on Menacing strike (to lay on an extra d8 damage and frighten). If I can fire from darkness, they're all at tri-vantage.

And no you cant upcast Scorching ray for a minute. After 3 rounds of doing it you're already out of SP and half your slots.

No surprised, you casted a verbal spell (Hunters Mark).
Weak, multiclassing and Darkness situational. Pretty bad build
Go without Multiclassing

 

[Hohige]

Sorcerers got much more powerful with Tasha's.

Stealth casting is not one of the meaningful things they got however. None of it holds up for real play. It's a highly situational thing they might do sometimes. But for the exact same reason the rogue got a new ability to compensate for their inability to adequately hide at range and attack that way for more than one round, the sorcerer isn't gaining much from stealth casting. Their position is constantly given away no matter how hard they are trying to stay hidden beyond that one attack. It just doesn't work as well in games as you think it will on paper.

As further proof of that: no other optimizers other than you are using it in their builds. It is not becoming a standard for optimizers. You seem to be the only person enamored with this concept. Which is fine. But I think you overplay it.

I player a lot stealthy casting. 7 times to be precise.
It works amazing, you never die. Subtle Empowered Earth Eruption, Dominate Person, Mind Spike, Sleep is too Fun.
With Tasha's half feat and no race restriction, Its amazing easy to do without lose spellcasting power and Magical Guidance for skill monkey.