The mandalorian [Spoilers]

[Zardnaar]

Now, pulling the discussion back on topic, a major flaw with the story is becoming even more apparent, with them having to explain who Snoke is and how he was created in a spin off TV show.

I mean, it's cool and all, but that's not the place to explain who the hell the major villain of The Force Awakens/Last Jedi was. That should have been explained in the movies, not in a TV show that most of the people who saw those two movies won't be watching.

They explained it in a novel.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

They explained it in a novel.

Doesn't that prove my point even more? Villains are supposed to be explained on the screen where everyone would know who they are and how evil they are, but if it's explained in a spin off TV show or novel that most people won't read or watch, that's a problem.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

In my opinion The Rise of Skywalker suffered most from The Last Jedi killing off all the plot lines and not setting up the third movie, or its villain.

I wonder if JJ Abrams now understands that the whole mysterybox way of storytelling is flawed. It gets people excited for sure, but it makes it really difficult to stick the landing. Anyone can come up with a mystery, but you also need to know the answer. You can't save that for last, or leave it to other writers.

RoS’s problems begin in TFA, and thread throughout the trilogy, but Fisher’s death didn’t help.

TLJ is one of the best of the SW movies, but it and RoS would have been a lot better if they actually been part of a trilogy.

Give the same basic ideas to Filoni and Favreau, and let them do the entire trilogy, and you’d have had soemthing to really genuinely rival the OT as a trilogy.

 

[cbwjm]

I actually felt that there was enough of an explanation in the last movie, Snoke was just a cloned puppet of Palpatine. As is, I think the way movies and media are going nowadays is that it is all connected in a shared universe. Think of the marvel and DC movies, if you don't watch the ironman movies, but watch avengers then you might wonder where this iron man came from.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Now, pulling the discussion back on topic, a major flaw with the story is becoming even more apparent, with them having to explain who Snoke is and how he was created in a spin off TV show.

I mean, it's cool and all, but that's not the place to explain who the hell the major villain of The Force Awakens/Last Jedi was. That should have been explained in the movies, not in a TV show that most of the people who saw those two movies won't be watching.

More important than just on screen, the explanation needed to be hinted at early, as did the presence of Palpatine.

Or Palpatine needed to be revealed in act 3 or RoS after being a menacing presence and there being confusion about this new Emperor, or is it Snoke come back, or is it Thrawn with a puppet clone, or whatever. They find out it’s him when they find him.

But instead JJ wasted what Johnson had given him, and what he’d set up himself, and RoS is the worst of the three films.

 

[cbwjm]

Oh man, I thought RoS was the best of the new trilogy. For me I rank them from best to worst as Rise of Skywalker, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi.

 

[Zardnaar]

Doesn't that prove my point even more? Villains are supposed to be explained on the screen where everyone would know who they are and how evil they are, but if it's explained in a spin off TV show or novel that most people won't read or watch, that's a problem.

Yeah it's a problem. Having Palpatine announce hit return in a video game probably not a great idea.

 

[Zardnaar]

Oh man, I thought RoS was the best of the new trilogy. For me I rank them from best to worst as Rise of Skywalker, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi.

It's kind of dumb fun.

If they stretched it off into a trilogy it would mak more sense once you flesh it out a bit.

 

[Levistus's_Leviathan]

I actually felt that there was enough of an explanation in the last movie, Snoke was just a cloned puppet of Palpatine. As is, I think the way movies and media are going nowadays is that it is all connected in a shared universe. Think of the marvel and DC movies, if you don't watch the ironman movies, but watch avengers then you might wonder where this iron man came from.

There's a big difference between what the MCU does and what Star Wars is doing. The MCU requires you to watch the other movies to understand it, and that's it. The latest Star Wars movies requires you to read the novels, play Fortnite, watch the animated shows, and watch the Mandalorian to understand it. It's one thing to make a cinematic universe (world's most expensive TV show), and it's another to make your major plot points completely depend on all of your other properties.

 

[Morrus]

Oh god, hadn’t checked in in a bit, but the thread has turned into the usual Last Jedi thread has it? It’s the Star Wars equivalent of Godwin’s Law. At some point somebody will mention it, and that’s the end of the thread

Also TLJ is a far superior movie to the others in the new trilogy by an order of magnitude.