So, Wandavision?


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Umbran

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Comics...maybe. X-Men movies? No way. He’s dickish in those, but definitely not malevolently destructive.

Eh. He smashes pumpkins and steals candy. If he wanted to be malevolently destructive, pumpkins wouldn't be the things that get busted up.

He says, and I quote, “I’m just trying to do my part, okay? Come to town unexpectedly, create tension with the brother-in-law, stir up trouble with the rugrats, and ultimately give you grief. I mean, that’s what you wanted, isn’t it?”

So, I am not so sure we should be blaming other malevolent beings for his behavior.
 

Umbran

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Herb and Agnes-they make comments to Wanda and clearly have some sort of freewill at times. My theory is they are not human but either robots or minor demons

Does Wanda have mind control powers in the comics? I thought she had powerful magic but not in control?

In the comics, Wanda has magic, and her mutant powers. Her mutant powers were originally massive probability manipulation to make entirely improbable things happen. They've been retconned several times - once to be natural Chaos Magic manipulation, and then again to be reality warping/probability manipulation. And since then again to include natural magic. It's kind of a mess.
 

Rune

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He says, and I quote, “I’m just trying to do my part, okay? Come to town unexpectedly, create tension with the brother-in-law, stir up trouble with the rugrats, and ultimately give you grief. I mean, that’s what you wanted, isn’t it?”
Huh. You quoted a thing that supports my argument to suggest that it supports the opposite.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I am going to hold that up as evidence that WandaVision is deliberately using writing that suggests ambiguity. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if multiple things that now seem mutually exclusive turn out to be true.

But, also: the Pietro that Wanda grew up with was fundamentally good and this one is evil.
 


Rune

Once A Fool
I have not seen him perform any outright evil acts. The worst thing he does, is joke about Vision dying again.
But he also cares about the kids and enjoys spending time with them. He also listens to Wanda, when she tells him about her grief.
Well, of course not. He didn’t come to be outright evil; the totality of his actions are subtly evil – his every interaction with the kids is well-summed up in his own words: “Raise hell, demon-spawn!”

His every interaction with Vision serves to divide him from Wanda (even replace him as a father-figure — Pietro’s words, not mine). His counseling of Wanda validates her actions and comforts her, but without true empathy, as shown when he says the thing that gets him blasted.

Two other things worth looking at: the telepathic kid thinks he’s a vampire and is afraid of him. And this Pietro says he was shot like a chump – which is a weird thing to say about someone who sacrificed his life to save another.

Okay, one more, addressing the idea this Pietro might be the one from the Fox movies: Fox X-Men Quicksilver is so much faster than bullets that he can rearrange them in flight. That Pietro didn’t get shot like a chump in the street. At least not from the front, like the corpse suggests (and like Age of Ultron Pietro did).

[Edit to clarify: With regard to Pietro’s relationship with the kids (as a replacement father-figure), he is a consistent corrupting influence. He isn’t shown steering them away from mischief once. Always toward. Always at the expense of others.]
 
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Umbran

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Huh. You quoted a thing that supports my argument to suggest that it supports the opposite.

He thinks he is doing what she wants. And there's a lot of question about how much free will people in the Hex have. I am not sure that speaks to him being malevolent.

But, also: the Pietro that Wanda grew up with was fundamentally good and this one is evil.

What has he done that could be called "evil"? He smashed up some pumpkins, and has been a bit aggravating. Has he actually done any significant harm to anyone in the Hex?
 

We now know what will be airing on March 12, the Friday in between the end of WandaVision and start of Falcon & Winter Soldier. There will be a show about the making of WandaVision, so Disney is sticking to what they said about something new Marvel-related every week of the year. It just won't be an episode of one of the shows every week.

 



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