Alien & Fate Join ICv2's Top 5 RPGs

Alien and Fate join ICv2's tabletop RPG sales chart, while Dungeons & Dragons and Pathfinder maintain 1st and 2nd places as usual, positions 3-5 always change. Cyberpunk, from R. Talsorian, has climbed from 5th place last time, to 3rd place. This chart is for September-December 2020, based on interviews with retailers, distributors, and manufacturers.

Position​	Game	Publisher
1​	Dungeons & Dragons	Wizards of the Coast
2​	Pathfinder	Paizo
3​	Cyberpunk	R. Talsorian
4​	Alien	Free League
5​	Fate	Evil Hat Productions

As always you can see all the historical charts here.

 

[MGibster]

Nothing happened. It is that Fate is a game you can play, but it is an engine used for games as well - Fate of Cthulhu, Atomic Robo, The Dresden Files, Tachyon Squadron - and then there's Fate Accelerated and a few titles under it, and Fate Condensed just came out...

Kind of like GURPS or the Hero System rpg. If I told you I was playing GURPS you'd have no idea what the game was all about only that I was usually a particular set of rules. Quite frankly I'm a little surprised to see Fate on the list. Not because it's a bad game, it's a good game in my opinion, but I just don't know many people who play it.

So good to see Free League doing well. What a quality game maker.

It is nice to see them. I've been impressed with ever Alien product I've bought so far even if I haven't had a chance to play it!

 

[Umbran]

Kind of like GURPS or the Hero System rpg. If I told you I was playing GURPS you'd have no idea what the game was all about only that I was usually a particular set of rules. Quite frankly I'm a little surprised to see Fate on the list. Not because it's a bad game, it's a good game in my opinion, but I just don't know many people who play it.

They did just put out Fate Condensed, I think, so that may have delivered a spike in sales.

 

[bedir than]

I doubt Hasbro dares to publish a sci-fi franchise if Disney doesn't forgive a new rival for his Star Wars franchise.

As a reminder, since this insistence keeps coming up, Hasbro licensed a Transformers RPG to Renegade Games. They are also doing GI Joe and My Little Pony. The agreement reads the same as what Renegade did with Power Rangers, which includes board, card, and role style games.

GI Joe and Transformers both have sci-fi in their history. Joe uses a just-around-the-corner future tech and Transformers are clearly a sci-fi franchise.

We don't have to guess about this things. We don't need to speculate about them. They're a reality that are in creation from a 2nd party with a strong history of partnership with Wizards/Hasbro.

Disney wasn't involved at all.

 

[LuisCarlos17f]

You are almost right. Do you remember the doll franchise Monster High by Matell? I have readed about a future live-action adaptation. OK. Matell wanted to publish a spin-off, Ever After High, based of the children by the famous fairy tales, for example Apple White as Snowhite's daughter and Raven Queen as daughter of Snowhite's stepmother. Disney wasn't happy because they thought it would be a potential rival for their own princess franchise, and they broke relations with Matell. Then Hasbro could sell toys based in Disney franchises, for example the figures of "Descendants". Transformers is (mecha) sci-fi, but it is not space-opera, it's not a potential rival for Star Wars.

I would add some link about this, but I didn't find one in English language.

 

[agrayday]

They have the most of the 1e line still in print and for sale.

These are the oversized paperback versions. I have many of them.

In addition, there are still some of the later printings of the 1e hardbacks still on the shelves.

With Savage Worlds edition being based on 1E content... it will be a nice portal for Paizo & Community to move 1E stuff too....

 

[Bluenose]

This could prove to Wizards of the Coast the SciFi DnD is not worth it if Paizo's Pathfinder 2e already thrashers Paizo's Starfinder that has a two year headstart.

Not really how sales of books (I doubt if RPGs are significantly different, it's common across many products) works. Most of the people who are going to but Starfinder already have it, and no other product sells as much as the core rules. General estimate in publishing is that half your sales happen in the first three months, half the rest over the next three, and the remainder over the life of the product.


More generally, I suspect if the products in places 6-10 were readily available, I suspect we'd see quite a few regulars that get into and out of the Top 5 are consistently in the Top-10. It's just that they get overtaken quite regularly by whatever is new and hot, where D&D and Pathfinder are enough ahead of other products that they aren't going to be overtaken by any other RPG D&D is too big and Pathfinder will have enough new product out as well as a long tail that a new game even in it's first period of highest sales probably isn't going to overtake them. Especially since it'll be a new product competing against games with a lot of existing items too.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

This could prove to Wizards of the Coast the SciFi DnD is not worth it if Paizo's Pathfinder 2e already thrashers Paizo's Starfinder that has a two year headstart.

Starfinder is in no meaningful way a "sci-fi" RPG. It's pure fantasy with light sci-fi trappings. Spelljammer had more concern for "the science".

Alien, whilst primarily horror, is actually sci-fi. Cyberpunk is actually sci-fi. So it's bizarre to think Starfinder's performance is more important than those.

 

[GreyLord]

Starfinder is in no meaningful way a "sci-fi" RPG. It's pure fantasy with light sci-fi trappings. Spelljammer had more concern for "the science".

Alien, whilst primarily horror, is actually sci-fi. Cyberpunk is actually sci-fi. So it's bizarre to think Starfinder's performance is more important than those.

I'd put Starfinder in line with Star Wars RPGs and others in that it is Space Opera vs. something like Traveller which is trying more to be Science Fiction.

It's sort of like the difference between Shadowrun and Cyberpunk. One invests in mystical powers and abilities while the other tries to have something of how they guess a future of mankind may be.

 

[Samurai]

My FLGS still has PF1e stuff.

Most every game store I've ever been to is mostly made up of older stock that never sold when it was first ordered, including previous editions...

 

[Ruin Explorer]

I'd put Starfinder in line with Star Wars RPGs and others in that it is Space Opera vs. something like Traveller which is trying more to be Science Fiction.

It's sort of like the difference between Shadowrun and Cyberpunk. One invests in mystical powers and abilities while the other tries to have something of how they guess a future of mankind may be.

Really? I'm not an expert on Starfinder but I glancing at it got the impression it was at least as wacky as Shadowrun and Shadowrun is definitely significantly further-out than Star Wars, metaphysically. To me, Star Wars is science fantasy, and like, shading towards Star Wars but still primarily sci-fi genre-wise you have stuff like Star Trek and Mass Effect (where stuff like psychic powers exists, but has some sort of faux-scientific explanation most of the time), then you have stuff like Traveller and The Expanse which isn't "hard" SF (given all the FTL and so on), but which is pretty much as hard as you're likely to see in most RPGs. YMMV of course.

But anyway, I think it's off-brand science fantasy at best, where Alien and Cyberpunk are right towards the other end (Alien has what, FTL drives and artificial gravity? Cyberpunk has nothing entirely outside the realms of possibility that I can immediately think of), and both are doing great, so we have evidence that sci-fi-oriented games can do well.