Falcon and winter solider

[FitzTheRuke]

I haven't read or heard much about the Black Widow movie, and I mostly want to keep it that way, but in the most general of general terms, do we know whether it takes place before the Blip, or during it?

Pretty sure that it will be years before the blip, at least for the most part.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I haven't read or heard much about the Black Widow movie, and I mostly want to keep it that way, but in the most general of general terms, do we know whether it takes place before the Blip, or during it?

Maybe not quite as far back as Captain Marvel, but still years before Infinity War, so the Black Widow movie is a prequel and origin story for Natasha, and all the other women trained like her, who could also use the same code name. If all goes well, I expect someone to come out of that movie as the new Black Widow for Phase 4.

 

[Omand]

I haven't read or heard much about the Black Widow movie, and I mostly want to keep it that way, but in the most general of general terms, do we know whether it takes place before the Blip, or during it?

I believe it has been stated that the Black Widow movie takes place after Captain America: Civil War and before Avengers: Infinity War.

Or at least, that was the original statement before all of the delays in release. I suppose they could have updated things a bit. That said, the hairstyle and general look that Scarlet Johansson is shown in the advertising is closer to her Civil War look. Especially telling is her red hair, it is blond by the time of Infinity War.

Cheers

 

[Imaculata]

I thought the racism shown in Lovecraft Country was pretty accurate maybe even not quite as bad as it actually was. It was the early 1950's after all.

I feel amidst the chaotic plots, the racism in LC became almost cartoonish and some of the message was lost. This is just my personal opinion, but I feel that when you portray the racists as cartoon villains who also dabble in black magic, the message gets lost. It is no longer relatable. But showing Falcon being denied a loan by a man who is not a cartoon villain, I feel gets the message across better.

I want to really enjoy this show and I think I will. But I'm going to definitely have to stay away from discussion boards like this one after the next few episodes.

Well, people have shown restraint with the spoilers in regards to Wandavision. For at least a few days after an episode airs, people on this forum avoid putting spoilers in the thread. I will try to do the same.

 

[trappedslider]

I'll have to rewatch it,but it seems to me that the banker was denying the loan based on actual rules and not because Sam's black,unless you're all saying the rules themselves are racist.

I'm pretty sure that if loans were done the way they were back in ye olden days,all based on character, not credit score or other rules Sam would have gotten the loan.

 

[Imaculata]

I'll have to rewatch it, but it seems to me that the banker was denying the loan based on actual rules and not because Sam's black, unless you're all saying the rules themselves are racist.

It seemed a little of both. The banker stated the rules as an excuse, but there was implied racism hiding underneath.

 

[Marc_C]

It seemed a little of both. The banker stated the rules as an excuse, but there was implied racism hiding underneath.

I didn't see the underlying racism. What I saw is a white man with awkward social skills who could only think of himself (selfies) but in the end acted as a number crunching machine. I once faced a similar situation a long time ago. The colour of my white skin didn't get me a loan. Too much of a risk.

 

[Imaculata]

I didn't see the underlying racism. What I saw is a white man with awkward social skills who could only think of himself (selfies) but in the end acted as a number crunching machine. I once faced a similar situation a long time ago. The colour of my white skin didn't get me a loan. Too much of a risk.

I suppose that is why it is a subtle scene. Some may see racism, while others might not.

 

[Marc_C]

I suppose that is why it is a subtle scene. Some may see racism, while others might not.

As spectators we all bring our personal experience when watching a tv show or movie. It colours our perception and we attribute meaning to the scene. Often attributing meaning the director and writer didn't intend.

As per my training in film studies at university you must analyze a scene with was is actually in it. There must be a sentence, a telling camera shot or facial expression that states the person is racist. Otherwise you are in the realm of personal interpretation. I didn't see any of that in the banker scene. In fact the banker is a fan of Falcon. A racist wouldn't be a fan of a black person regardless of who he is. (it was pointed out this was wrong. After re-reading myself I agree.)

 

[MarkB]

In fact the banker is a fan of Falcon. A racist wouldn't be a fan of a black person regardless of who he is.

Yeah, no. Celebrities are celebrities regardless of race. It's part and parcel of judging someone on appearances instead of treating them as an individual.

Notice that, although the banker is happy to meet someone so famous, he doesn't respect him in the slightest. Thus the asking him to flap his arms for a selfie.