D&D (2024) bring back the pig faced orcs for 6th edition, change up hobgoblins & is there a history of the design change

[Oofta]

Hey everybody, my Half-Kirk barbarian is so bada$$.

And. So. Melo. Dramatic.

 

[not-so-newguy]

And. So. Melo. Dramatic.

My barbarian invokes his barbarian rage.
Half-Kirk: KAAAAAAHN!!!!
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ok, I'll stop.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

They were called humanoids.
They didn't act like humanoids.

That was the problem. Orcs acted like smart animals but since they had arms and legs, the game called them humanoid.

Except they were tool making city building, skilled miners and crafts folk, with a culture and language and ability to learn other languages. Literally their entire history in D&D . They have literally never been why you describe.

 

[Chaosmancer]

I just want to point out that the good drow you are discussing are campaign specific to the Forgotten Realms. FR is not D&D.

"They only exist in the most popular setting in DnD, that is practically the default for the setting." Oh and Eberron which is another massively popular setting (the goddess doesn't exist, but Good Drow do). Oh, and Exandria where they specifically have a Drow empire that isn't evil.

And... hmm, no drow good or evil in Ravnica, Theros, or Ravenloft.


Doesn't that cover every published setting for Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition? Meaning that, if you are using an official setting, you either have no Drow, or Drow that could be Good or Evil? So.. what part of DnD 5e is limited to just evil Drow and nothing else?

 

[Minigiant]

Except they were tool making city building, skilled miners and crafts folk, with a culture and language and ability to learn other languages. Literally their entire history in D&D . They have literally never been why you describe.

To me, ttoolmaking and city building doesn't make you a humanoid Being able to choose ones path and alignment does.


Pigmonster orcs are monstrous humanoids to me.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

To me, ttoolmaking and city building doesn't make you a humanoid Being able to choose ones path and alignment does.


Pigmonster orcs are monstrous humanoids to me.

Their alignment is listed as often or usually not always. THey can choose.

 

[Umbran]

I am not interested in anthropomorphizing nonexistant fantasy creatures...and then getting all worked up pretending these are some kind of real world analogue for racial strife, inject racism into my game and demand social justice debates in the fantasy game/world of make-believe. It's a game of heroic adventure in a world of magic for crying out loud.

Mod Note:

Then, by all means, go play it that way, and stay out of conversations about things you aren't interested in. We'll make this easier, by relieving you of the ability to respond to the thread. Go find something to discuss that you actually find constructive.

 

[Oofta]

"They only exist in the most popular setting in DnD, that is practically the default for the setting." Oh and Eberron which is another massively popular setting (the goddess doesn't exist, but Good Drow do). Oh, and Exandria where they specifically have a Drow empire that isn't evil.

And... hmm, no drow good or evil in Ravnica, Theros, or Ravenloft.


Doesn't that cover every published setting for Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition? Meaning that, if you are using an official setting, you either have no Drow, or Drow that could be Good or Evil? So.. what part of DnD 5e is limited to just evil Drow and nothing else?

Yes, I agree. They exist in campaign specific books. Which is what I said.

 

[Umbran]

Yes, I agree. They exist in campaign specific books. Which is what I said.

Technically setting specific books.

"The default presentation should meet my needs/preference and everyone else should have to adapt on their own," seems like it works... until two people say it and they have notably different needs or preferences, of course.

 

[Charlaquin]

Technically setting specific books.

"The default presentation should meet my needs/preference and everyone else should have to adapt on their own," seems like it works... until two people say it and they have notably different needs or preferences, of course.

Right, which is why a default that leaves room for the possibility of any alignment is ideal. For specific settings, you can opt out of any alignment you don’t want whatever group to have.