Falcon and winter solider

[doctorbadwolf]

I was talking about how Sam is literally lecturing to the camera in the final episode, not the way it was handled in other episodes.

In previous episodes, they were more subtle about it. If the viewer was paying attention, the subject matter was pretty clear. Although referring to the main character as uncle Sam was a bit on the nose.

But in the final episode he literally turns to the camera and says: "Look, this is what the show is about", and that rubbed me the wrong way. It is as if they underestimated the intelligence of their audience. As if they had to explain it to the two people on the planet who didn't get it, and it undermined my enjoyment.

He literally does not do that. He lectures a bunch of powerful people about the BS they’d been pulling, and how they were aggressively refusing to learn the lesson.

 

[Maxperson]

It’s almost like humans, even those who are extremely competent and intelligent, aren’t wholly logical.

But she had no reason to think it would end like it did.

I'm pretty sure that she knew who Zemo was. That's pretty good reason I think.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I'm pretty sure that she knew who Zemo was. That's pretty good reason I think.

Eh, I disagree, but it doesn’t really matter, does it? Sharon isn’t perfect, she makes mistakes due to attachments to people. Good. That’s a better character than she’d be otherwise.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Or... have they?

Here's my current thinking - this is all far to simple and pat. They set up Skrulls... as friends.

Talos is a friend. No reason to suppose all skrulls are nice. Just like anyone else, they can be good or evil.

 

[Stalker0]

I'm also wondering why Sharon would lead them to the guy that was making the serum for her and let them kill him. That also doesn't seem like a very Power Broker thing to do.

Yeah I had forgotten that! Yeah it feels like you could have supplied them with fake intel and when it didn't work out...well, hey that's how it goes in the intel game sometimes.

 

[MarkB]

I'm also wondering why Sharon would lead them to the guy that was making the serum for her and let them kill him. That also doesn't seem like a very Power Broker thing to do.

My initial assumption was that she was using them to tie up loose ends, having already obtained copies of the doctor's research notes. It was a good way to give them a lead on the Flag Smashers' without the information originating from her.

However, that doesn't add up given that she states in the post-credits scene that supersoldier serum is off the menu. At this point I'd guess that she's either concluded that the stuff's not worth the trouble it causes, or she's got other plans for it than putting it on the market.

 

[MarkB]

But in the final episode he literally turns to the camera and says: "Look, this is what the show is about", and that rubbed me the wrong way. It is as if they underestimated the intelligence of their audience. As if they had to explain it to the two people on the planet who didn't get it, and it undermined my enjoyment.

If only it was just a couple of people.

 

[Nilbog]

My initial assumption was that she was using them to tie up loose ends, having already obtained copies of the doctor's research notes. It was a good way to give them a lead on the Flag Smashers' without the information originating from her.

However, that doesn't add up given that she states in the post-credits scene that supersoldier serum is off the menu. At this point I'd guess that she's either concluded that the stuff's not worth the trouble it causes, or she's got other plans for it than putting it on the market.

It's difficult to comprehend, the way I see it is that the serum is too much hassle (unpredictable and can give too much power to those she can't control) so she'd rather no one have it, and by her actions so fully ingratiated herself with Sam and Bucky leading to her new and more profitable role

 

[Maxperson]

It's difficult to comprehend, the way I see it is that the serum is too much hassle (unpredictable and can give too much power to those she can't control) so she'd rather no one have it, and by her actions so fully ingratiated herself with Sam and Bucky leading to her new and more profitable role

Except that in the last episode, she was still trying really hard to get Carly and the others to come back to the fold.

 

[Imaculata]

He literally does not do that. He lectures a bunch of powerful people about the BS they’d been pulling, and how they were aggressively refusing to learn the lesson.

But I think you understand what I'm saying. He was only a hairpin away from winking at the audience and telling us not to do drugs either. It wasn't necessary. Anyone who watched the show up to this point should have already understood what the show was about, without Sam literally telling us, as he did in that scene.

It was like Sam was saying:

"Hey audience! This show is about racism, the American identity and America's destructive foreign policy! Please pay attention while I hit you over the head with the obvious."

"Also, it is totally uncool what you've been doing in foreign countries America, but I'm going to tell OTHER countries how bad they've been. But I think we all know what country I'm really talking about. Wink! Wink!"

To me, this undo's a lot of the subtlety that the show had been building on up to now. It makes it into one of those annoying GI Joe PSA's that you'd see at the end of every episode. Now you know. And knowing is half the battle! -cue music-