Falcon and winter solider

[Umbran]

Perhaps. But did the show need to become this preachy?

Define "need". I mean, the show didn't "need" to exist at all. We don't need to have superhero shows. Or even television! The world got on for centuries without these things, so we don't "need" them.

Ergo, none of this is about "need". It is about something else.

Do you "need" to reject their being preachy?

And doesn't the strength of the show lie in allowing the audience to come to their own conclusion, rather than telling them what their conclusion should be?

No.

I mean, just limiting the show to having one "the strength" is a pretty narrow view of what is of valuable in fiction.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

when the ratings go up or down its a "we". the we is the reason Dr who ratings went into the toilet , its the reason batwoman is in the toilet, star trek not resonating in ratings

this is both sides fyi-Politicians don't like a certain person on tv the try and threaten the advertisers . advertisers then have to weigh the risks of losing money

if certain we's don't like you they destroy you on twitter and you basically become a modern day wicth or scarlet letter

the nba tried this last year and the rating went down. football is trying to grasp it /baseball is avoiding it
the whole world just watched what happens when you mess with soccer (unrelated but same principle as its a "we" )
when the Oscars/awards how started politics etc the ratings went down

back to the real world here- the steve rogers guy goes to the bank to open his autobody shop-no questions asked? im calling BS on this

first thing -Steve rogers gets a credit check. strike one and maybe the only 1 if its bad. in many situations what happens is people who have good credit and live in areas not as privedleged get taken advantage of by older family members when they are of credit age .Same goes if employment especially if he wants to work in finance. If you cant manager your own money they don't want you managing theirs

Steve rogers wants to open a handburger stand and wants to buy the stand from the current owner (lets say its tony stark). Tony wants money down and a contract. If Steve goes to the bank he presents tax returns and assets statements. If those are empty hes not getting the loan unless the government backs 1/2 the loan and then its a short term loan which is done through a bank

If this was a major problem (in the us as I cant speak for overseas) then we would know about it

Redlining is a crime
theres thousands of these types of crime-Its fairly easy for these banks to get caught and they would pay huge penalties for doing this. we are no longer living in the wild west

exact opposite-we in the usa have institutions of higher learning (top ivy league) delibertly limiting a certain race (because they would most likely be the majority race in these institutions. that's racism!

It's okay, guys! This dude solved racism! It's a crime, so it doesn't happen!

 

[Maxperson]

You ever been homeless? You whistleblow.

It can be anonymous. With 20 stores they'll have no idea who it was. And with the protections, you get rich if they do find out and fire you.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

It can be anonymous. With 20 stores they'll have no idea who it was. And with the protections, you get rich if they do find out and fire you.

I don't have any idea how it would even work, or where to start, but tell ya what, I will do some research on it.

I honestly hadn't realized how much it bothers me until this conversation, tbh.

At least the couple of co-workers who definitely treated Black customers differently, being far less likely to be willing to go out of their way for them, or give them the benefit of the doubt, etc, have been fired over the last few months.

 

[Sacrosanct]

So basically, you're saying the declines are because of backlash from misogynist and racist white guys when women and/or black people start acting like they have a voice in things?

The reference to Dr. Who was a dead give away. Pretty big red flag there.

 

[Maxperson]

So basically, you're saying the declines are because of backlash from misogynist and racist white guys when women and/or black people start acting like they have a voice in things?

Or people like me who just don't want to see the stuff they deal with on a daily basis being in their entertainment. But your attempt to label it as automatically misogynist and racist to not want it in the entertainment is right in line with what he said. Well done.

 

[Maxperson]

I don't have any idea how it would even work, or where to start, but tell ya what, I will do some research on it.

You should. 20 stores with no black employees, especially when you've seen many qualified black applicants, seems very much like a federal violation to me.

I honestly hadn't realized how much it bothers me until this conversation, tbh.

Sometimes talking about something is the best way to get clarity about how you feel.

At least the couple of co-workers who definitely treated Black customers differently, being far less likely to be willing to go out of their way for them, or give them the benefit of the doubt, etc, have been fired over the last few months.

At least that's good.

 

[billd91]

You should. 20 stores with no black employees, especially when you've seen many qualified black applicants, seems very much like a federal violation to me.

I wonder if any of the applicants were named "Shaniqua"?

 

[Sacrosanct]

Or people like me who just don't want to see the stuff they deal with on a daily basis being in their entertainment. But your attempt to label it as automatically misogynist and racist to not want it in the entertainment is right in line with what he said. Well done.

automatically? Perhaps not. But when Jodie Whittaker got the role of the Dr., there was a pretty big backlash among male viewers who were upset. The same male viewers who filled up the interwebs with joy that the ratings dropped as punishment for hiring a woman in a man's traditional role*. Celebrating how "we" sent a message to the woke folks that "go woke, go broke".**

So they aren't really off base all that much, and it's a pretty safe bet, even if there are exceptions.


*That completely ignored how the rating fell with Peter Capaldi, not Josie, but accuracy doesn't really stop jerks from being jerks.

** another very common phrase that also isn't true, but doesn't stop people from using it.

 

[wicked cool]

Like I said if I need to be educated I have world leaders schools and 24/7news

So if people switch the station or choose to watch something else or even say please stop hammering me over the head then it’s my fault the show tanks in the rating

the oscars hit a new low in ratings this year (even less than last year)

now this weekend I watched Brooklyn’s finest. It’s about crooked cops and racism. It was entertains, their was a message but it was more of a subtle message

it certainly wasn’t new trek, new Star Wars, new who etc destroying lore on it way towards a political message

if these messages were wanted well then ratings would soar

if everyone wanted cop bashing then oscars ratings should improve