Falcon and winter solider

[Umbran]

when the ratings go up or down its a "we".

I didn't suggest there wasn't a "we". I asked you to explicitly state who "we" are. Who do you claim to speak for?

 

[hopeless]

To be fair both Capaldi and Whittaker was competing against an idiotic agenda that shouldn't have been a thing.
Capaldi still tried his best, but Whittaker didn't even do her research before accepting the role and even then she wasn't helped when the showrunner doubled down on the agenda instead of actually good writing.
A shame really, there's no way Whittaker is as good at acting as Capaldi and it shows.
It appears from what I've read the Marvel shows have the same problem, I hope the Black Widow movie can avoid that pitfall.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Sure, but that's not at all an issue with the standards. That's a completely separate issue with why so many black people are poor and have bad credit ratings. The reasons for the credit ratings being low need to be looked at and addressed, not the completely rational and correct view that people of any race with poor credit ratings are too much of a risk to lend to.

All other things being equal, if race is the only reason for the disparity, then that's wrong and needs to be addressed.

This is fundamentally flawed, because the whole point is that the credit ratings aren't being applied fairly or equitably. It is not "rational and correct" to view people as credit ratings only, and those with poor ratings are too much of a risk.

When PoC are being rated worse than white counterparts (for reasons including but not limited to: creating policies that keep PoC in poverty like bus line routes, educational opportunities, job opportunities, DMV locations, etc), then you absolutely can't go by credit ratings alone. That's the problem. Do you know how credit ratings are given? Not being snarky, legit question. Did you know a large part of your credit score is based on things that have nothing to do with how responsible you are, but for things like where you live? What kinds of homes you've owned (if any)? Etc?

"People in poor areas are too much of a risk. Hey, we just go by credit score, so we can't be racist. Just so happens we create policies to keep PoC in the poor areas."

That's literally what I was referring to earlier re: redlining. Banks didn't target PoC specifically, but everyone with a brain saw what was really going on, and how it was a racist policy. It's why anti-redlining laws were created in the first place, because saying "We just go by credit score" is just a lame excuse that ignores what's going on.

 

[wicked cool]

automatically? Perhaps not. But when Jodie Whittaker got the role of the Dr., there was a pretty big backlash among male viewers who were upset. The same male viewers who filled up the interwebs with joy that the ratings dropped as punishment for hiring a woman in a man's traditional role*. Celebrating how "we" sent a message to the woke folks that "go woke, go broke".**

So they aren't really off base all that much, and it's a pretty safe bet, even if there are exceptions.


*That completely ignored how the rating fell with Peter Capaldi, not Josie, but accuracy doesn't really stop jerks from being jerks.

** another very common phrase that also isn't true, but doesn't stop people from using it.

The quality of dr who dipped after Matt smith

FYI the bbc has done this in their history. Colin bakers dr was targeted by bbc management and members of management tried to destroy him
Then the following dr they gave him a horrible budget

now we have the bbc using reverse racism on the popular show Luther. He’s being targeted by bbc management for not acting black enough

the flaw in your argument on the general public is ratings are high for shows with heroines/people of all races
The crown
Black panther
Wonder Woman 1 (2 got poor reviews)
Older star treks such as deep space nine etc

I had no problem with a female dr, don’t care that Elba was on the list to be the next James Bond or jack harkness flirted with the dr (in fact I was saddened that torchwood got cancelled)
I saw the evidence of certain Star Wars characters in new Star Wars getting limited roles in sequels and their picture shrunk in posters. That was the studio Bowing to a foreign country
Dr who is failing because the storylines have stunk, the supporting cast is awful and you are constantly told if you oppose their viewpoints then your a bad person

Michael Jordan one of the worlds most popular athletes said it best-basically both sides buy his sneakers so why get political

Real world evidence people are sick of it-California is on the verge of losing a political seat. People are fleeing this state due to cost of living due to politics. Big deal you say-it’s the first time in history this has happened. People are fleeing New York City for similar reasons (the mayor of


cnn ratings in toilet

when you bash a race, their institutions, their history ,their religion what do you think will happen. They will turn the channel

back to the falcon-real world let’s say majority of the banks declines are minorities. Are we saying the federal government which audits the banks is complicit. The media is also complicit?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

The Oscars have had abysmal ratings for years. Last year wasn't really much of an anomaly.

When I watch the Oscars, I want to see the best Actor/Actress thank their producer, director, acting coach, dog, cat, armadillo and mother. I don't want to see them talk about their pet political stance of the year. That goes for both stances I agree with and stances I disagree with. Which is why I haven't watched in 20ish years.

I have no patience for this mindset, I'm sorry. You're tired of seeing it on TV, others are tired of living it and being ignored about it. Guess who I have sympathy for, and who I don't.

Your carefree entertainment time is less important than the voices of the marginalized being heard, and entertainment has never been apolitical, and it never will be.

Granted, even somebody who looks like Steve would be rejected if he had Sam's credit rating.

Sam doesn't have a bad credit rating, though. He just has a 5-year blank that unarguably has nothing to do with his reliability or fiscal viability, and he has government contracts, and his sister is financially stable, and the business is an established business and pillar of the community looking for a simple consolidation loan, and it has a proven track record of success with no reason to think that wouldn't be the case again with a working boat and simplified debt structure.

Steve, in the same situation, would have the benefit of the doubt.

But more often than not, the guy with Sam's credit rating looks like Sam, not like Steve. Even if applied equally, these standards disproportionately disqualify black people. And the real world is worse. Have you heard that with record low interest rates, lots of people want to refinance their mortgages yet black people are either refused in a bigger proportion or only offered worse rates than their current ones?(Source) That there is a list of "Worst banks to borrow from if you are Black/Hispanic"? (Source)

This is quite right, however. I know Hispanic families that only send the whitest, best at doing a "white voice" member of the family to do business with banks or other potential debt holders. Because when they do otherwise, with the same financial information, they get screwed. And they still get less benefit of the doubt than I get, with less credible financial information, because I have a very anglo name and appearance.

Sure, but that's not at all an issue with the standards. That's a completely separate issue with why so many black people are poor and have bad credit ratings. The reasons for the credit ratings being low need to be looked at and addressed, not the completely rational and correct view that people of any race with poor credit ratings are too much of a risk to lend to.

All other things being equal, if race is the only reason for the disparity, then that's wrong and needs to be addressed.

There is no such thing as all other things being equal. Race is never the only reason for the disparity, when investigated from the outside, because life and people are messy, and these kinds of things are difficult to prove. This sort of demand serves only to keep the status quo in place.

As for the banking standards, they are part of why credit ratings are low for poor people, AND part of why Indiginous and Black people are disproportionately poor compared to population numbers.

Captain America was one of my favorite comics when I was younger. I rarely got this sort of thing in it, despite Cap standing for right and justice. Same with Superman, who also stood for right and justice. It happened on occasion, but it wasn't prevalent.

Did you never read any of the times Cap stopped being Cap? Because pretty much every one was blatantly political, with only the real world thing being referring to being somewhat obfuscated by a thing veil of being directly about a thing that only exists in comics, like mutant rights or mutant registration, or Cap finding out that the government had done [obvious reference to CIA or US military crimes couched in fantastical circumstances].

 

[Maxperson]

This is fundamentally flawed, because the whole point is that the credit ratings aren't being applied fairly or equitably. It is not "rational and correct" to view people as credit ratings only, and those with poor ratings are too much of a risk.

Can you show where when a black person misses a car payment it hits him worse than when a white person misses a car payment? If so, then I will agree that is wrong.

When PoC are being rated worse than white counterparts (for reasons including but not limited to: creating policies that keep PoC in poverty like bus line routes, educational opportunities, job opportunities, DMV locations, etc), then you absolutely can't go by credit ratings alone. That's the problem. Do you know how credit ratings are given? Not being snarky, legit question. Did you know a large part of your credit score is based on things that have nothing to do with how responsible you are, but for things like where you live? What kinds of homes you've owned (if any)? Etc?

Yes. All of those are economic basis for credit score. Again, though, the issue is with the economics of where black people live(poorer areas), with their incomes, and credit history. Those need to be corrected, because if a black person lived in my neighborhood and had my credit history, and my home history, he would have a very good credit score.

Then of course we get into the issues that were linked above where people of the same credit score, but different races getting different treatment, which needs to be changed. But again that's not the same as basing loans on credit ratings.

"People in poor areas are too much of a risk. Hey, we just go by credit score, so we can't be racist. Just so happens we create policies to keep PoC in the poor areas."

The solution is to help change the poorer areas into areas that aren't so poor. Not create a system where we can have another financial collapse, because we are giving loans to people who can't pay them back.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Real world evidence people are sick of it-California is on the verge of losing a political seat. People are fleeing this state due to cost of living due to politics. Big deal you say-it’s the first time in history this has happened. People are fleeing New York City for similar reasons (the mayor of

cnn ratings in toilet
back to the falcon-real world let’s say majority of the banks declines are minorities. Are we saying the federal government which audits the banks is complicit. The media is also complicit?

None of this is true by the way. No one is fleeing California and NY due to politics.

Heck, in January 2021, CNN was the #1 cable news network in Total Day, M-Su Prime Time and Dayside in total viewers and adults 25-54

Why am I not surprised that someone making the claims you're making is so completely off base with what's really happened?

 

[Morrus]

when the ratings go up or down its a "we". the we is the reason Dr who ratings went into the toilet , its the reason batwoman is in the toilet, star trek not resonating in ratings

this is both sides fyi-Politicians don't like a certain person on tv the try and threaten the advertisers . advertisers then have to weigh the risks of losing money

if certain we's don't like you they destroy you on twitter and you basically become a modern day wicth or scarlet letter

the nba tried this last year and the rating went down. football is trying to grasp it /baseball is avoiding it
the whole world just watched what happens when you mess with soccer (unrelated but same principle as its a "we" )
when the Oscars/awards how started politics etc the ratings went down

back to the real world here- the steve rogers guy goes to the bank to open his autobody shop-no questions asked? im calling BS on this

first thing -Steve rogers gets a credit check. strike one and maybe the only 1 if its bad. in many situations what happens is people who have good credit and live in areas not as privedleged get taken advantage of by older family members when they are of credit age .Same goes if employment especially if he wants to work in finance. If you cant manager your own money they don't want you managing theirs

Steve rogers wants to open a handburger stand and wants to buy the stand from the current owner (lets say its tony stark). Tony wants money down and a contract. If Steve goes to the bank he presents tax returns and assets statements. If those are empty hes not getting the loan unless the government backs 1/2 the loan and then its a short term loan which is done through a bank

If this was a major problem (in the us as I cant speak for overseas) then we would know about it

Redlining is a crime
theres thousands of these types of crime-Its fairly easy for these banks to get caught and they would pay huge penalties for doing this. we are no longer living in the wild west

exact opposite-we in the usa have institutions of higher learning (top ivy league) delibertly limiting a certain race (because they would most likely be the majority race in these institutions. that's racism!

I find it bewildering that after all these years anybody might thing they could post an anti-inclusive political rant and not get immediately booted into high orbit. I mean, you've been here for 12 years, and you haven't cottoned on yet? And yet here we are. Dn't post in this thread again.

And also, everybody else, stop talking about politics. Just because one person did doesn't mean the rules suddenly went away. When we say don't talk about politics, we really mean it.

 

[Sacrosanct]

Edit deleted as seeing Morrus's comment

 

[Maxperson]

Edit: Posted before I saw the Morrus post.