Falcon and winter solider

[Enevhar Aldarion]

I feel the power of that moment is severely undercut by the fact that he's addressing the leaders of other countries, when he's obviously talking about America.

Lets call it like it is: They chickened out.

He is addressing the leaders of the GRC, who may or may not have more power than the leaders of nations, and he is talking about a global refugee crisis, something parts of the real world have been dealing with too. In the MCU, these are refugees of all races and ethnicities and religions because of the return Blip, not just a single one. The race and bias stuff dealt with by the show are totally different from what the GRC is doing and I did not think his big speech was directly about that.

 

[Dire Bare]

I feel the power of that moment is severely undercut by the fact that he's addressing the leaders of other countries, when he's obviously talking about America.

Lets call it like it is: They chickened out.

What? Did we watch the same show?

The Flag-Smashers were a global movement based out of Europe. The governments of the entire world, under the umbrella of the GRC (a UN analog) were meeting to decide to displace refugees . . . all over the world.

The Marvel movies are made (mostly) by Americans for an American audience . . . but our problems with how we treat displaced people with fairness and compassion is a GLOBAL issue today, right now, in the real world.

 

[Imaculata]

The Marvel movies are made (mostly) by Americans for an American audience . . . but our problems with how we treat displaced people with fairness and compassion is a GLOBAL issue today, right now, in the real world.

Of course. But lets not ignore that the show is making its statement in a post Trump world. If any country has treated immigrants poorly the last few years, it is the USA. So to have Captain America lecture their analogue for the UN is kinda rich. It literally made me scoff at the screen.

 

[Older Beholder]

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[Paul Farquhar]

Of course. But lets not ignore that the show is making its statement in a post Trump world. If any country has treated immigrants poorly the last few years, it is the USA. So to have Captain America lecture their analogue for the UN is kinda rich. It literally made me scoff at the screen.

It's very American-centric to think that America is the only country that has treated immigrants very poorly over the last couple of years. At least the refugees don't often drown trying to cross the US boarder.

 

[Nikosandros]

Of course. But lets not ignore that the show is making its statement in a post Trump world. If any country has treated immigrants poorly the last few years, it is the USA. So to have Captain America lecture their analogue for the UN is kinda rich. It literally made me scoff at the screen.

It is far from being only an American problem. Here in Europe it is huge. There are people drowning in the Mediterranean Sea while governments bounce responsibilities.

 

[Umbran]

Not only to punch Nazis but to explain to us WHY it is important to punch Nazis. Without that, it's just violence. With it, he reminds us why we need to stand up.

Yes, but as a point of rhetoric, adding that would not have been as... punchy a line.

 

[Umbran]

The race and bias stuff dealt with by the show are totally different from what the GRC is doing and I did not think his big speech was directly about that.

It isn't as if the way refugees are treated around the world isn't rooted in racism...

 

[Maxperson]

It's very American-centric to think that America is the only country that has treated immigrants very poorly over the last couple of years. At least the refugees don't often drown trying to cross the US boarder.

Yes, but Captian America was arguing with an American Senator about it. That's what made it seem like the writers were talking about America. Not once did Captain America turn to address any leaders of other countries with his speech, and not one leader from another country stepped forward to give excuses. If they wanted it to be addressing world issues, they should have had various world leaders engage him.

 

[Umbran]

Yes, but Captian America was arguing with an American Senator about it. That's what made it seem like the writers were talking about America. Not once did Captain America turn to address any leaders of other countries with his speech, and not one leader from another country stepped forward to give excuses. If they wanted it to be addressing world issues, they should have had various world leaders engage him.

So, as usual, things are not that simple. It is reasonable for an American citizen to lecture an American official on ethics. It is rather less appropriate for Americans to be lecturing others on right and wrong. While I agree that the message is quite applicable to the world at large, Sam focused that message on the appropriate recipient.

It isn't like the other officials present didn't hear it, and hadn't just themselves been victims of their own poor policy choices. In that scene, they did, in fact, give us reaction shots of one or two other officials.