D&D General MtG Adventures in the Forgotten Realms Spoiler Thread

[Henadic Theologian]

Why not both...?

I know I said earlier I would think an Eberron Magic Set would be good tuff, if this Set is a massive hit, the turnaround for a follow-up is about 2024. 50th Anniversy for D&D: Greyhawk book, Greyhawk Magic Set?

Hypothesis, it could be sooner, maybe 2023 if its a Commander Legends 2 Set for D&D.

 

[Parmandur]

Hypothesis, it could be sooner, maybe 2023 if its a Commander Legends 2 Set for D&D.

No, Mark Rosewater is working on early 2024 Vision design right now. The absolute earliest is 2024, if the mandate from corporate is to make it happen ASAP.

 

[Parmandur]

Your missing my point, its not that I think anything that pops into FR Property, I previously concidered Mordy, Vecna, and Acererak to be Greyhawk tourists to FR. Its what WotC thinks of them as and given they straight up said they excluded stuff from other settings, like Strahd and other characters, which means THEY concider Vecna an FR character (which makes me wonder if they are are planning on adding Vecna to FRs Pantheon).

And the book of Vile Darkness started being written on Greyhawk, but Vecna was not its only author and so its origins are multiplanar, including FR.

I'll add that Vecna also gets mentioned in Frostmaiden, because he stole the secrets of the Obilesks from the Weavers on Toril and I think the Netherese stole it from him somehow (I don't own that book so my memory might be fuzzy.

I think you are overthinking this: WotC doesn't see the world as completely seperate properties these days, and Mordenkeinen is key to the D&D overall brand, being Gary Gygax's PC.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

I think you’re bringing a whole lot of baggage to a character that hasn’t been center stage fo quite some time just not getting a card in a gimmick set. It’s fine to be disappointed a character you like isn’t getting a card, but I don’t think assigning all this symbolic weight to him is… healthy,

I mean, for all we know Ed Greenwood said "Hey I actually am pretty old now and don't want to write any more books!"

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Hence they started stuffing Greyhawk Refugees into FR BEFORE this set. Personally I think they've taken it too far, some crossover is fine, but when they start bumping FR characters out of slots in FRs first set its gone too far.

That being said I think they have future big plans for Vecna in FR.

As for those who have commented on Elminister's sex life, I'll point out both the Book of Vile Darkness and Book of Exalted Deeds were mature titles with drugs, nudity, torture, BDSM and other subjects of an adult nature. Both got cards.

Well look, Mordenkainen in 5E has shown up in two adventures, one being in Ravenloft (Curse of Strahd), and the other in Avernus (Descent into Avernus). I know the Avernus adventure starts in Baldur's Gate, but Mordenkainen isn't in that part. So I don't think Mordenkainen has been "stuffed into" FR at all.

And I was ok with Acererak being in Chult in Tomb of Annihilation. It didn't really feel like a retcon in any way, he's a planes-trotting lich who decided randomly to do his newest plan in FR.

Anyway, this comment just highlights my annoyance, as you're referring to these characters as "Refugees" as if they've been displaced or something. I'm happy to imagine them as multi-setting, powerful D&D characters that traverse many worlds on the Material Plane. It's when folks are saying "Ah, they've been absorbed and are FR material now!" which makes me roll my eyes.

EDIT: Vecna is a great example of this; he's now a prominent god in Wildemount, which is now it's own 5E setting, and yet you're spinning it as if he's suddenly going to be FR exclusive... I mean, these settings can share.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

Well look, Mordenkainen in 5E has shown up in two adventures, one being in Ravenloft (Curse of Strahd), and the other in Avernus (Descent into Avernus). I know the Avernus adventure starts in Baldur's Gate, but Mordenkainen isn't in that part. So I don't think Mordenkainen has been "stuffed into" FR at all.

And I was ok with Acererak being in Chult in Tomb of Annihilation. It didn't really feel like a retcon in any way, he's a planes-trotting lich who decided randomly to do his newest plan in FR.

Anyway, this comment just highlights my annoyance, as you're referring to these characters as "Refugees" as if they've been displaced or something. I'm happy to imagine them as multi-setting, powerful D&D characters that traverse many worlds on the Material Plane. It's when folks are saying "Ah, they've been absorbed and are FR material now!" which makes me roll my eyes.

EDIT: Vecna is a great example of this; he's now a prominent god in Wildemount, which is now it's own 5E setting, and yet you're spinning it as if he's suddenly going to be FR exclusive... I mean, these settings can share.

Its not just me saying they are FR material its WotC, don't shot the messager. And I never said exclusive.

 

[Henadic Theologian]

I mean, for all we know Ed Greenwood said "Hey I actually am pretty old now and don't want to write any more books!"

Bawhahahaha, do you type that with a straight face?

Anyways leaving Elminister out of the Forgotten Realms MtG set memes have already begun. Even if they put his in the side products its looks absurd to do that btw. Its like leaving Captain Kirk/Picard out of a Star Trek set, or Luke Skywalker out of a Star Wars set, or Wolverine/Professor X out of an X-Men set.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Its not just me saying they are FR material its WotC, don't shot the messager. And I never said exclusive.

"It's not just me saying" isn't a valid argument of anything. Never underestimate the power of an uninformed mob!

 

[Henadic Theologian]

"It's not just me saying" isn't a valid argument of anything. Never underestimate the power of an uninformed mob!

You left the most important part of it, "its WotC saying it" if you have issues with it take up with WotC, I'm justing pointing it out.

 

[Mecheon]

I'll point out both the Book of Vile Darkness and Book of Exalted Deeds were mature titles with drugs, nudity, torture, BDSM and other subjects of an adult nature. Both got cards.

'Mature' books that tried to hit on these issues but missed the mark by a mile wide more like. But, my inevitable complaining about those books aside, they don't have Eliminister because they only have so many planeswalkers they can use, and they're preferring a Mord push at the moment. If this sells well enough, we'll get another set that might hard Elim in it. Nothing more to it than that. Probably dates back to this being a more generic set than the FR theme