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D&D 5E The October D&D Book is Fizban’s Treasury of Dragons

As revealed by Nerd Immersion by deciphering computer code from D&D Beyond!

Fizban the Fabulous is, of course, the accident-prone, befuddled alter-ego of Dragonlance’s god of good dragons, Paladine, the platinum dragon (Dragonlance’s version of Bahamut).

Which makes my guess earlier this year spot on!

UPDATE -- the book now has a description!



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Fizban the Fabulous by Vera Gentinetta
 

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Looking closely at the Dragons on the cover, I don't think either one of them is Chromatic or Gem Dragons.

Side note the Commander AFC Decks had a Chaos Dragons in one of them.


 

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I'll add, Draconians, despite being a "made" race, actually have more agency than you'd initially think; they're mostly evil because they were raised to be evil by the followers of Takhisis. But when they were let loose on their own, they would sometimes drift into chaotic or even good tendencies. Essentially, the nature vs. nurture here; they are nurtured to be lawful evil, it's not actually their nature.


The comparison between draconians and orcs is something that has grown more obscure over the editions, but in the early days of Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, the two filled much the same role.

See, orcs in those days were Lawful Evil in alignment, due to being the go-to mooks for dark clerics, evil wizards, and any other nefarious would-be warlord. They were aggressive and militaristic, but fell in line rapidly under those who showed off their strength, and served loyally until their "boss" was overthrown. (In later editions and in other settings, orcs would become more "the horde race", as Tolkien intended when there isn't a Dark Lord about; with hobgoblins falling into "the evil army race" niche. That just goes to tell how First Edition Dragonlance is.)

Draconians fill this very niche in Dragonlance history. They are reliable, dependable, non-human troops that are associated with the forces of evil and used without care as expendable mooks by their masters. However, the draconians go about it in a very different way to their orcy counterparts on other worlds.

First and foremost, whilst orcs are (were) Lawful Evil as a general nature, draconians were only that way because they were brought up in the armies of the evil Takhisis. And even then it wasn't always successful - the "stealth operative" orientated Sivaks tended to be Neutral Evil, whilst the Baaz "grunts" usually quickly reverted to Chaotic Evil tendencies when let out from under their leaders' thumbs. Given the chance, many draconians gave up on evil and tried to find a new life for themselves, and modern generations are usually Neutral in some flavor.

Secondly, draconians, unlike orcs, are smart enough to hate being treated as disposable cannon fodder. The callous way they were treated by their creators bred dissent, and made draconians very quick to rebel or escape once the dragonarmies were broken. Finding out that their makers had planned to exterminate all of their females, dooming the race to die out, certainly didn't help.

Finally, with their innate magical abilities, draconians are just naturally far tougher and more dangerous than the standard orc.
 


Looking closely at the Dragons on the cover, I don't think either one of them is Chromatic or Gem Dragons.

Side note the Commander AFC Decks had a Chaos Dragons in one of them.



Despite that card's name, that just looks like a red dragon. This is how Chaos Dragons have been depicted in the past;

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Gnolls have also been playable in previous editions but are now strictly off-limits in 5e. I can see them saying no to playable draconians as well due to their origins (despite the sidebar in the PHB).

Weren’t dragonborn originally a “made” race as well? In 3e, they were humanoids who underwent a ritual created by Bahamut to transform, right? Hence the “born” in their name. I actually kind of prefer that to the true-breeding version we got starting in 4e. You could represent it through a lineage like the ones in VGR easily enough, too. (Same with the psionic Elan race.)
Given the similarities between dragonborn and draconians--such that, in 4e, Baaz and Kopak were treated as variants of Dragonborn--I think it's more likely that they'll be playable, but handled differently. Perhaps the first batch were made by dark rituals, but dragons later learned some other way of creating them, differently expensive. I'd even call it a ready-made, minimal-risk "throw off your oppressors" story, which leans relatively hard into the same philosophies and concepts as the "no more evil monocultural races" stuff. Just as playable Drow are unlikely to belong to the Lolth-worshipping jerk sector of Drow society, playable Draconians are unlikely to belong to the Takhisis-worshipping jerk faction of their world.

Yeah, not sure if 4E ever provided a definitive origin story besides the ancient fallen empire bit.
It intentionally rejected the idea that there was a definitive origin (part of its commitment, despite protestations to the contrary, to respect the DM's primacy on story matters, even if the DM chose to play in the standard PoL setting). The three proposed origins are (1) created by dragons to be their mortal agents (the story favored by dragons themselves, natch), (2) created directly by Io to be their own thing in his grand structure, or (3) an accidental creation from the droplets of blood Io shed when he was cleaved in half by Erek-Hus, making each dragonborn technically the tiniest bit divine (popular among dragonborn who dislike dragons).

The most "definitive" you get is that they are, either directly or indirectly, the children (or "grandchildren") of Io, so their patrons are Bahamut and Tiamat, just as Melora is the patron of halflings and Moradin is the patron of dwarves.

We are now about just about three months until the book is released. Does that leave them any time at all for any last-minute UAs for its material? I can't remember how close to release they have pushed UA before.
It's pretty unlikely at this point. UA tends to straddle that vague middle ground between actual testing (as in, "does this work and what's good/bad about it?") and testing the waters/floating a trial balloon. I'm personally rather annoyed that they use the same vehicle for both things, because that (IMO) makes it rather bad at both, but it is what it is. Neither purpose is meaningfully served this close to release; they must be very close to print right now, potentially even committed to the final layout. Releasing a UA now would be kinda pointless; they wouldn't have the time to respond to any negative feedback, and they don't need to share rules to generate hype. So....I just can't see them doing it.

Yeah they are made, but I think it's said somewhere that chromatic dragon eggs, when made into draconians actually turn good (draconians always being the opposite of their egg).
This is how they did it in the past, but honestly, I'd argue "doing X thing on stolen dragon eggs makes inherently good people" is WORSE than the way OG draconians work. At least with OG draconians, the novels themselves support the idea that they're not so much "evil" as expansionistic, slightly inclined to aggression, and taught not to like the people they've been told to conquer. They're explicitly not stupid, and quite able to figure out on their own that their masters treat them like crap, cannon fodder to be thrown at the enemy because they aren't valued, while their "enemies" are relatively upstanding folk who treat their allies well and don't brook unnecessary casualties. Some of their more far-minded leadership straight up desert, with loyal followers in tow, and strike up positive diplomatic relations (if not friendship per se) with the "good guys" because they can see the benefits of doing so.

That's about as opposed to "this species has an evil culture baked into it, which only a few special rebels will be able to resist" as you can get, narratively speaking: the draconians WERE made by awful people for awful ends, used and abused by their creators....and they rose up and took their fate and their culture into their own hands. That's a pretty pro-social-justice message....and it already exists in the novels. They don't have to invent anything new to make this happen; it's already justified. To ignore that opportunity when it is thrown squarely in their laps would be foolish.
 

I'll add, Draconians, despite being a "made" race, actually have more agency than you'd initially think; they're mostly evil because they were raised to be evil by the followers of Takhisis. But when they were let loose on their own, they would sometimes drift into chaotic or even good tendencies. Essentially, the nature vs. nurture here; they are nurtured to be lawful evil, it's not actually their nature.
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Since alignment is on the outs anyway, I don't think that's the issue. The issue is draconians are made by murdering unborn good dragons.

Anyone remember how the internet collectively lost its mind when Baby Yoda ate some eggs, so much so that Disney had to frantically backseat and say those were unfertilized eggs? Yeah,the old draconian origin is not going to fly for 5E is they are a PC race.
 


Anyone remember how the internet collectively lost its mind when Baby Yoda ate some eggs, so much so that Disney had to frantically backseat and say those were unfertilized eggs? Yeah,the old draconian origin is not going to fly for 5E is they are a PC race.

Lol I don't remember this at all.
 

I'll add, Draconians, despite being a "made" race, actually have more agency than you'd initially think; they're mostly evil because they were raised to be evil by the followers of Takhisis.

draconians were only that way because they were brought up in the armies of the evil Takhisis.
We've been through this recently on another thread here on ENWorld. That's simply not true. Draconians were produced in the Dark Temple by transferring the souls of Abishai (lesser Devils) into the corrupted dragon eggs of the metallic dragons. They had no agency to change their moral nature. They were all inherently evil. They are the earthly flesh of devils.

The later so called "noble" draconians may have had that option - but they were not made the same way.

Whatever passage you are quoting is a complete retcon.
 


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