D&D and the rising pandemic

[Thomas Shey]

Man that Delta is bad. We are at nearly 80% of 12+ vaccinated and we still have daily cases near as high as at peak pre-vaccine. Of course most of the cases are unvaccinated, (but not all.) I shudder to imagine what it would be like without the vaccines.

There's been some indications cases may be even bad among the vaccinated, its just that among them its much, much more likely to be mild or even asymptomatic. I was just hearing a news story about a hospital that tests regularly that found at the peak something like 95% of their vaccinated workers detected as COVID-positive at one point or another. However none of them showed a severe enough case to need to be hospitalized themselves, and the majority only knew they had COVID because o the tests.

This is probably related to the apparent situation that even vaccinated individuals tend to develop COVID colonies in their nasal passages (which is why they can still be infectious) given how COVID testing is normally done.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

There's been some indications cases may be even bad among the vaccinated, its just that among them its much, much more likely to be mild or even asymptomatic. I was just hearing a news story about a hospital that tests regularly that found at the peak something like 95% of their vaccinated workers detected as COVID-positive at one point or another. However none of them showed a severe enough case to need to be hospitalized themselves, and the majority only knew they had COVID because o the tests.

This is probably related to the apparent situation that even vaccinated individuals tend to develop COVID colonies in their nasal passages (which is why they can still be infectious) given how COVID testing is normally done.

This is probably an oversimplification, but it sounds like a lot of vaccinated people are effectively immune (as long as their own immune systems are strong enough) but they can carry it around in their sinuses and test positive for it from there. It makes sense that even if quite a few vaccinated are getting it, the numbers would point to the unvaccinated, who are getting worse symptoms (and therefore more tests) more frequently.

 

[J.Quondam]

This is probably an oversimplification, but it sounds like a lot of vaccinated people are effectively immune (as long as their own immune systems are strong enough) but they can carry it around in their sinuses and test positive for it from there. It makes sense that even if quite a few vaccinated are getting it, the numbers would point to the unvaccinated, who are getting worse symptoms (and therefore more tests) more frequently.

You know, I really wouldn't be too surprised if the unvaxxed knuckleheads (and their vile "information" sources) start accusing the vaccinated people of being the "real" spreaders.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

They already have. We’re “sloughing off virus” because of the vaccines, therefore unsafe to be around, thus, justifying our exclusion from certain businesses and events.

 

[Umbran]

This is probably an oversimplification, but it sounds like a lot of vaccinated people are effectively immune (as long as their own immune systems are strong enough) but they can carry it around in their sinuses and test positive for it from there.

Immunity isn't an all-or-nothing thing.

This is a place to remember the difference between infection and illness. With the vaccine, some folks can still get infected, but those infections do not cause much illness - meaning, you don't have significant symptoms. In such a breakthrough case, isn't that you just "test positive" - you are infected, and contagious.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Immunity isn't an all-or-nothing thing.

This is a place to remember the difference between infection and illness. With the vaccine, some folks can still get infected, but those infections do not cause much illness - meaning, you don't have significant symptoms. In such a breakthrough case, isn't that you just "test positive" - you are infected, and contagious.

Right. I get that. It's what used to be termed "carriers". It's not that they're not infected, it's just that they're not bothered by being infected - the "lucky" ones.

I keep arguing with one of my old best friends on Facebook who keeps posting anti-vax memes while saying that he's "Not anti-vax" but just "asking questions". I just said to him, "So ask questions in your own words and stop spreading intended misinformation". Sigh.

 

[Thomas Shey]

This is probably an oversimplification, but it sounds like a lot of vaccinated people are effectively immune (as long as their own immune systems are strong enough) but they can carry it around in their sinuses and test positive for it from there. It makes sense that even if quite a few vaccinated are getting it, the numbers would point to the unvaccinated, who are getting worse symptoms (and therefore more tests) more frequently.

That's pretty much my take on it, too.

I mean, honestly, if you're vaccinated and don't work in an environment where you get tested regularly, and catch Delta but because of your vaccination you have no symptoms or such mild ones you write it off to allergies, how would you know?

 

[Thomas Shey]

They already have. We’re “sloughing off virus” because of the vaccines, therefore unsafe to be around, thus, justifying our exclusion from certain businesses and events.

Which, of course, requires either an extremely confused or deliberately malign understanding of how even killed virus vaccines work, let along the fact at least the majority of the COVID vaccines are not killed virus drugs.

 

[Umbran]

I keep arguing with one of my old best friends on Facebook who keeps posting anti-vax memes while saying that he's "Not anti-vax" but just "asking questions". I just said to him, "So ask questions in your own words and stop spreading intended misinformation". Sigh.

Ooof. That's a pain. The last person I ran into who went that route I had to tell, "If you are just asking questions, why aren't you listening to the answers? If you are arguing, you aren't asking."

 

[Garthanos]

Man that Delta is bad. We are at nearly 80% of 12+ vaccinated and we still have daily cases near as high as at peak pre-vaccine. Of course most of the cases are unvaccinated, (but not all.) I shudder to imagine what it would be like without the vaccines.

Well what is the vaccination rate in Florida... hmmmm