Faolyn
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All right, fine. Sorry.Faolyn can we leave the orc discussion out of this thread? It's far afield from the original topic and seems like a retreat of arguments you've had with the same posters in the past.
All right, fine. Sorry.Faolyn can we leave the orc discussion out of this thread? It's far afield from the original topic and seems like a retreat of arguments you've had with the same posters in the past.
And for the new players who don't have anything prior? And it's not just a simple import. You want me to through and figure out the alignments for hundreds of creatures. That would take hours and I have the experience. You can ignore alignment in 0 seconds.You don't have to create an alignment system. You already have one that's been around since 1e. Just import it.
I assume so in Eberron. And despite your protestations, it counts.Are there any orc nations in the Realms--not nations in which orcs are welcome but are not the dominant beings--that aren't CE?
I really don't care if the majority are good in your game.And are you OK with the vast majority of orcs, drow, and other such creatures being good or neutral as long as the leadership is evil, in the same way you're insisting that most Zhentarim are good or neutral but their leaders are bad?
I wasn't sure when Baelnorns appeared.As for there being any Good-aligned undead in RAW 1e, it seems I have to retract my earlier statement; as on a look through the three monster books it seems there aren't any.
There's several Neutral ones that are more powerful than the basic skeleton-zombie stuff, but no Good ones of any kind.
No, it doesn’t. I derived the behavior of the NPC from her alignment. The fact that there are also other factors doesn’t erase that fact.And that context makes the LE part unnecessary.
Yes.Does that mean it?
Irrelevant. I’m the one running the scenario. D&D isn't meant to produce homogenous gameplay experiences.Wow, that’s a whole lot of stuff that I guarantee not everyone is going to agree is true of lawful evil characters. Again, ask any 10 people what lawful evil means and you’ll get 12 different answers.
So either get rid of it, or go back to mechanically enforced alignment!?I don’t want alignment to be a straight jacket. I don’t want alignment to be a thing. But if it’s going to be a thing, it should at least justify itself by ever mattering.
I don't believe in you, either!!Even at my table, where we reject the “god dm” concept.
Same old argument, repeated over and over. Alignment in 5E is only as useful as people make it. If the person running the character is reasonably clear, consistent, and in the same general ballpark on what it means it works just fine.No, it doesn’t. I derived the behavior of the NPC from her alignment. The fact that there are also other factors doesn’t erase that fact.
Yes.
Irrelevant. I’m the one running the scenario. D&D isn't meant to produce homogenous gameplay experiences.
I know what LE means, and so does Max, and so does Oofta. Whether we agree doesn’t matter on any level, ever. Even if we played together, what the alignment of an NPC means is 100%, unambiguously, always, without exception, up to the DM. Even at my table, where we reject the “god dm” concept.
So either get rid of it, or go back to mechanically enforced alignment!?
No. You can hate it all day, that doesn’t mean it can’t exist between those extremes.
Yeah, it's frustrating when I see the same posters bringing the same tangents into different threads, triggering responses from the same posters who drag things into the same arguments which lead to threads being locked.The best part of all these threads is how the goalposts get shifted and arguments twisted until they're contorted back to the point where the same core dogma can then be applied to cut off all discussion.
This thread was about whether or not the reductionist motivation of 'evil' is necessary to the game's theme and function and it's spine has been crushed into a double helix until people can shout it down with 'well alignment is useful to me - don't badwrongfun me, bro', which is a complete non-sequitor to the actual thread.
Every thread.