D&D 5E Can you use misty step to arrest a fall?

[Maxperson]

What is "falling" ? Please give me the exact page where "falling" is a condition that sticks to the PC.

When you fall, you are falling. Page 183 of the PHB.

Now, if you want to claim that Misty Steps stops a fall, you need to provide explicit RAW that says that it does. If you don't have that, by RAW it does not.

Yes you are, you are pretending that, after the Misty Step he was still "falling", you are even saying that Misty Step does not remove "falling", which subject that you envision falling just as a condition that can be removed.

I'm not pretending anything. If you are falling and cast a spell that doesn't stop you from falling(explicitly), then you are still falling at the end of the spell.

Again, prove it, per RAW, since you are the one always saying that if it's not written, it's not in the RAW. Please explain to us very precisely where the definition of falling is that makes it something that can start and end, and how it does this.

I have proven it. RAW says that if you fall, you are falling and take damage based on how far you fell when the fall ends. Misty step does not stop falling from occurring, but it would move you 30 feet down without falling those 30 feet. Since falling did not stop, despite casting the spell, you splat at the end for 20 feet worth of falling damage. This is all as it is written in the various sections(falling, misty step and specific beats general).

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Yes it is. Written=/=Unwritten just because it's 5e. Written=Written in all editions. This is backed up by the game designers who tell you that in 5e Written=Written.

Except that the books and the disgners both state that when the game goes into a scenario for which there is no specific rule, it’s up to the DM. Nothing in Misty Step speaks at all on this, and the closest thing to it the rules for positioning.

You can house rule whatever you want through a ruling. I'm not disputing that. The OP was asking about RAW, though, and what you are proposing is not RAW.

Sure. They can face up, down, whatever. They are still falling down, though, regardless of facing because nothing in the Misty Step spell says otherwise. The Misty Step just moves you to a space. Nothing more.

Except the rules don’t say that, don’t say anything that suggests that, you’re just conflating what makes sense to you with RAW.

So you think that it's RAW for a DM to determine that casting Misty Step in the middle of a fall detonates a nuclear explosion at the bottom? Because that's not specified in the rules text, either. That's an extreme example, but it's just as applicable as what you are proposing.

No, it isn’t.

You're literally arguing that the DM can make anything and everything not specified in the spell RAW through a ruling. That's 99.99999999999999999999999%(more really) of the universe.

I’m quite literally not doing any such thing. This pedantry is completely useless.

The OP is dealing with both, though. This discussion is about both.

You are aggressively not getting it. There are two question at work in the OP’s hypothetical. They are separate questions. How falling works in terms of timing has no bearing whatsoever on whether the player can decide what direction they come out of a teleport.

And with that I’m done discussing this with you. Your relentlessly legalistic and literalistic reading of the rules is tiresome and unhelpful.

Also, read the OP. They didn’t ask what is RAW, they asked if folks would allow the thing.

 

[Horwath]

Wait... Are we talking real life or 5th edition Dungeons and Dragons?

Because you DO fall instantly in 5th edition D&D.

you do not fall in 5E, you teleport to ground

 

[Lyxen]

When you fall, you are falling. Page 183 of the PHB.

Prefect, I did not need more than this. After I cast misty step, I am on a floor. Am I falling ? No. End of story, RAW. Misty Step has interrupted the fall.

And, by the way, does Misty Step says that it negates an attack ? And yet, it does. If I ready a Misty Step to be triggered if I am attacked in melee, when the attack occurs, the trigger interrupts it and the attack cannot complete, because I'm 20 feet away. Magic ! It interrupted and negated an attack, and it's not even written in the description of the spell.

It's exactly the same thing. I am no longer falling, so I am not in any position to receive falling damage. The fall has been negated exactly like the attack above. Pretending that I am carrying not only a condition of falling, but an associated velocity is nowhere in the rules, quite the contrary.

 

[Ancalagon]

Ah! More evidence for my "Crawford is trolling people for asking questions he considers stupid" theory.

yeah... because that answer stinks to high heavens

 

[Maxperson]

Except that the books and the disgners both state that when the game goes into a scenario for which there is no specific rule, it’s up to the DM. Nothing in Misty Step speaks at all on this, and the closest thing to it the rules for positioning.

You're inventing ambiguity that doesn't exist. There are already very specific rules on this situation. We have the specific falling rules, which say that if you fall at the end of the fall you take damage per 10 feet fallen. We have the specific Misty Step rules which say that you move to an unoccupied space within 30 feet. Nothing in the Misty Step rules stop falls. So splat.

Now if you want to argue that it doesn't make sense to you, so you would rule differently than RAW, that's completely different. That would be you enacting a ruling over the rules that exist, which is fine and within your prerogative as DM.

Except the rules don’t say that, don’t say anything that suggests that, you’re just conflating what makes sense to you with RAW.

RAW as the designers intended for 5e, is that once a rule starts something, it finishes that way unless something more specific overrides it. See the See Invisibility ruling by Crawford.

What I am arguing is RAW. What you are arguing is just what makes sense to you, which isn't RAW.

I’m quite literally not doing any such thing. This pedantry is completely useless.

You said that if a situation isn't covered specifically in the rules, it's RAW for the DM to include it. That's your argument here. That would apply equally to literally everything not covered specifically in a given rule.

And with that I’m done discussing this with you. Your relentlessly legalistic and literalistic reading of the rules is tiresome and unhelpful.

Okay. Then you don't have to reply to this and we will be done.

 

[NotAYakk]

If you are on a speeding horse or cart or ship and you teleport off it, you don't fall over; teleportation can kill momentum.

On your turn, you can act whenever. I'm ok with doing something "half way through a fall" you anticipate. Readied actions are for doing things off your turn.

If you didn't anticipate it but it happened on your turn, I'd say no; or maybe I'd ask for a spellcasting ability check.

Off turn, no, that is what feather fall does.

 

[Maxperson]

Prefect, I did not need more than this. After I cast misty step, I am on a floor. Am I falling ? No.

Right, because at that point the fall ends and you take the damage.

End of story, RAW. Misty Step has interrupted the fall.

Nope. Not by RAW.

And, by the way, does Misty Step says that it negates an attack ? And yet, it does. If I ready a Misty Step to be triggered if I am attacked in melee, when the attack occurs, the trigger interrupts it and the attack cannot complete, because I'm 20 feet away. Magic ! It interrupted and negated an attack, and it's not even written in the description of the spell.

Nope!

A readied action occurs AFTER the trigger completes. If you ready Misty Step to happen if you are attacked in melee, the attack happens and then you Misty Step. You simply interrupt the rest of his turn.

From Ready on page 193

"When the trigger occurs, you can either take your reaction right after the trigger finishes or ignore the trigger."

 

[Maxperson]

yeah... because that answer stinks to high heavens

I agree. A lot of his answers do. They seem like cop-outs until the situation can be addressed in a way that makes sense and then the answer changes.

 

[Lyxen]

Right, because at that point the fall ends and you take the damage.

Ah-ha, I was waiting for you there, because it shows the inconsistency of your position: did you hit something when the fall was interrupted ? No, the fall did not end, it was just interrupted. So no damage, again totally RAW. Once more, the fall did not end, it was just negated, just as the attack is below.

A readied action occurs AFTER the trigger completes. If you ready Misty Step to happen if you are attacked in melee, the attack happens and then you Misty Step.

My apologies, I was not precise enough with the wording (it was sort of obvious for me), replace the trigger with "when someone starts attacking me". That way, it interrupts the resolution of the attack, and negates it.