D&D 5E Tasha's really improved and changed the feel of Rangers

[Tales and Chronicles]

I'd like to work on alternate rules that split the ranger in two different (low-key) archetypes; the spell less ranger and the 1/2 caster warden.

I'd even go as far as to split the spellcasting paladin and the spell-less version of that classic class (I'm partial to the name Champion). I'd probably merge the spell-less paladin with the warlord tropes from 4e.

 

[Charlaquin]

That is not true, backgroundsdo the things you are talking about. Maybe not as much as you want but they are not just wilderness training. Outlander, Tribe Member, Nomad all have specific wilderness-related abilities that are not just skills or a higher bonus. They are actual specific wilderness abilities.

Those are all ribbons. And backgrounds give you one single ability, not even remotely comparable to a whole class.

Also several tools bring abilities not related to checks.

Tools are just proficiencies, same as skills. I’m talking about actual abilities. See @Horwath ’s post for examples.

It is pretty niche I think, especially since I think every official D&D Ranger has had spells.

The 4e ranger didn’t.

I am not saying it is wrong or bad, but I do not think it is a widely-held position and I think most players want more spells in general, not less.

A non-casting ranger is a pretty popular ask.

 

[Charlaquin]

I really liked the scout fighter.
That was about what I wanted from a non caster ranger.

That’s awesome. You do not represent everyone who wants a non-spellcasting ranger.

 

[Krachek]

Those are all ribbons. And backgrounds give you one single ability, not even remotely comparable to a whole class.

Tools are just proficiencies, same as skills. I’m talking about actual abilities. See @Horwath ’s post for examples.

The 4e ranger didn’t.

A non-casting ranger is a pretty popular ask.

I was wondering what you were looking for,
it is not a Ranger with skills, it’s a Ranger with powers!

 

[Bolares]

The 4e ranger didn’t.

I don't know how much 4e counts for a "has spells/doesn't have spells" discussion. In themes sure, it didn't have magic, but mechanically, either everyone had spells or no one had spells (unless you count rituals as the metric for having spells).

I think it would be cool to have a ranger with no spells, but in how they do 5e, I don't think Tasha's was the place to have it. It would have to be basically a whole new class, and Tasha's already sacrificed the space it had for optional features to fix the PHB ranger.

Sadly 5e isn't very friendly to niche but cool options like the martial ranger

 

[Bolares]

I was wondering what you were looking for,
it is not a Ranger with skills, it’s a Ranger with powers!

@Charlaquin correct me if I'm wrong but I think what she is asking for is a full ranger class that drops the spellcasting for more features focused on their martial aptitude AND exploration. The scout doesn't fit because it's still a rogue with wilderness skill. It's not a good martial ranger that can hold it's own in the battle field without rogue tactics.

 

[Eric V]

I don't know how much 4e counts for a "has spells/doesn't have spells" discussion. In themes sure, it didn't have magic, but mechanically, either everyone had spells or no one had spells (unless you count rituals as the metric for having spells).

????

My ranger had no spells, but worked alongside an invoker who had plenty of spells...what are you talking about?

 

[Bolares]

????

My ranger had no spells, but worked alongside an invoker who had plenty of spells...what are you talking about?

What do you count as spells in 4e?

 

[Paul Farquhar]

There are so many different ideas about what a ranger should be that there are always going to be more people who are unhappy than are happy - just the same as psionics.

The 5e ranger is as a 5e ranger does. You want something different, cobble it together out of whatever materials you have available.

 

[Eric V]

What do you count as spells in 4e?

...when magic is being used.

Is this a trick question?