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D&D General The Art and the Artist: Discussing Problematic Issues in D&D


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Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
You seem to be mistaking what is possible for what is actual.
You seem to be mistaking this for a conversation about what is actual. This entire conversation is about what is possible, and how to achieve it. If your only contribution is simply "It's not, and you can't" then you've wasted a lot of additional words on unnecessary threadcrapping and you might want to see yourself out.
 

Filthy Lucre

Adventurer
You seem to be mistaking this for a conversation about what is actual. This entire conversation is about what is possible, and how to achieve it. If your only contribution is simply "It's not, and you can't" then you've wasted a lot of additional words on unnecessary threadcrapping and you might want to see yourself out.
Can you quote me where I say either of those things? I definitely now believe it to be the latter of my earlier assertion that you're reading into what I'm saying, intentionally or unintentionally, something that isn't there.

That the world is moving forward in the direction you mentioned is EVIDENCE of this principle, not a rebuttal of it. There are many ways to be "strong". Using market pressure to force change that you want to see made is completely compatible with that maxim.

If you're really arguing against me, you're just saying that you can cause things to happen without exerting any kind of power or influence. Is that the position you're advocating for? The point of that flippant expression is that unless you can make something happen, how you feel about it doesn't matter.
 
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Gradine

The Elephant in the Room (she/her)
Well, that was a complete waste of time. Now, where were we, before we were so rudely interrupted?

So yeah, the whole point of the concept of "privilege" is not that "you should feel bad for being white/straight/cis/etc.", it's that "hey, recognize that systemic advantages have been unbalanced in your favor, maybe don't get in the way of/maybe pitch in on efforts to tip them back the other and/or create a more level playing field."

If somebody unfairly gets a 30 yard head start in a race, "fairness" is not restarting the race but letting them stay where they already are. Given what the metaphor represents, and the idea that it's bad to go backward, the next best thing is to give everyone else that same 30 yard head start.
 


Bill Zebub

“It’s probably Matt Mercer’s fault.”
Well, that was a complete waste of time. Now, where were we, before we were so rudely interrupted?

So yeah, the whole point of the concept of "privilege" is not that "you should feel bad for being white/straight/cis/etc.", it's that "hey, recognize that systemic advantages have been unbalanced in your favor, maybe don't get in the way of/maybe pitch in on efforts to tip them back the other and/or create a more level playing field."

If somebody unfairly gets a 30 yard head start in a race, "fairness" is not restarting the race but letting them stay where they already are. Given what the metaphor represents, and the idea that it's bad to go backward, the next best thing is to give everyone else that same 30 yard head start.

Maybe it's been said in this thead, but the saying is, "When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
 

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