[+] The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - SPOILERS ALLOWED

[ART!]

Yeah, let's remember this is just a teaser trailer, and one for something 7 months off - the digital stuff in the trailer may well be unfinished, i.e. not as fully rendered as it will be in the final product.

But hey, if its good fan fiction, I'll watch it. I don't expect visual or thematic continuity with the Jackson films -- different creators, different story, different vision. It would be like expecting continuity with the best Hobbit adaptation (that would be the Bakshi one).

I'm at work so I don't have the time to look it up, but I remember there being a deal worked out with Weta or whoever, for this show to be able to use designs from Jackson's movies.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Yeah, I really don't get the complaints about the effects. The trailer was brief and we only saw small snippets, but what I saw looked movie quality effects-wise.

We saw a shot of the proto-Hobbit ancestor in the trailer and that got a frown from me.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

The 462 million is in fact minus 108 million = 282 million. Of those 282 million, an unknown amount should be spread over the 5 seasons.

That would be about 200 for ten hours against 93 million for 3 hours.

Unless some changes have been announced, season one is still slated for eight episodes, not ten. And all these "hour-long" shows are never an actual hour. They all have to be in the 40-50 minute range, so that in the future, they can be repeated on regular TV and have time built in for all the commercials. So more like 6 1/2 hours of actual show for an 8-episode season.

 

[Mezuka]

Unless some changes have been announced, season one is still slated for eight episodes, not ten. And all these "hour-long" shows are never an actual hour. They all have to be in the 40-50 minute range, so that in the future, they can be repeated on regular TV and have time built in for all the commercials. So more like 6 1/2 hours of actual show for an 8-episode season.

Actualy I made a computation error. Its 354 millions.

 

[Parmandur]

Yeah I wish they had the Silmarrilion to work with, but this is a good point.

I would love a Turin movie, or a Tuor and the fall of Gondolon movie, or especially a Beren & Luthien movie.

 

[Ralif Redhammer]

Likewise, I am hopeful that it will be good. It's got such a high bar to clear, but I want them to manage it.

I'm cautiously optimistic, precisely because they are making this show out if a 12 and a half page Appendix: other than broad strokes, this will all be original, which is much better potential than the weird half and half muddle of the Hobbit trilogy.

Cosigned. If LOTR had been made today, I guarantee it would've had a more diverse casting.

And the Dwarf princess is the best thing ever, the haters gonna hate.

This gets tricky. In the Nature of Middle-Earth, Tolkien explicitly says that all male dwarves have beards. Elsewhere, if I recall correctly, he says that dwarven women disguise themselves as men when they travel abroad. Which would imply that they either grow beards or wear fake ones (possibly evoking the Langobards of Norse legends), unless there are also cleanshaven dwarven men, which the original sentence contradicts.

Now, he does not say that dwarven women cannot or do not have beards. In the same section he specifically calls out that characters of Numenorean or Elven descent cannot grow beards, unless very old (see Cirdan the Shipwright). Which means we cannot assume that by not explicitly saying dwarven women can't grow beards, they weren't bearded.

Ultimately, that's all Tolkien lore noodling on my part, and the decision to not have a bearded dwarven woman for the TV show is likely an aesthetic one.

That being said...Tolkien's female Dwarves had beards and dressed like the male Dwarves. That's pretty clearly established: apparently male and female Dwarves are born with beards. Buy fir the show, it's no biggie as long as the design is good, which it is

 

[Parmandur]

Likewise, I am hopeful that it will be good. It's got such a high bar to clear, but I want them to manage it.



Cosigned. If LOTR had been made today, I guarantee it would've had a more diverse casting.



This gets tricky. In the Nature of Middle-Earth, Tolkien explicitly says that all male dwarves have beards. Elsewhere, if I recall correctly, he says that dwarven women disguise themselves as men when they travel abroad. Which would imply that they either grow beards or wear fake ones (possibly evoking the Langobards of Norse legends), unless there are also cleanshaven dwarven men, which the original sentence contradicts.

Now, he does not say that dwarven women cannot or do not have beards. In the same section he specifically calls out that characters of Numenorean or Elven descent cannot grow beards, unless very old (see Cirdan the Shipwright). Which means we cannot assume that by not explicitly saying dwarven women can't grow beards, they weren't bearded.

Ultimately, that's all Tolkien lore noodling on my part, and the decision to not have a bearded dwarven woman for the TV show is likely an aesthetic one.

From the Return of the King:

"They are in voice and appearance, and in garb if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart."

From the War of the Jewels:

"For the Naugrim have beards from the beginning of their lives, male and female alike; nor indeed can their womenkind be discerned by those of other race..."

But, yeah, it doesn't matter.

 

[Maxperson]

And that meteorite -- um, what? It's clearly meant to be something significant given its presence in the trailer (and Gil-Galad [?] looking at it with concern). But it's certainly something that the writers have invented for the series.

Could be some sort of flashback dealing with Anglachel and Anguirel.

 

[Enevhar Aldarion]

Likewise, I am hopeful that it will be good. It's got such a high bar to clear, but I want them to manage it.



Cosigned. If LOTR had been made today, I guarantee it would've had a more diverse casting.



This gets tricky. In the Nature of Middle-Earth, Tolkien explicitly says that all male dwarves have beards. Elsewhere, if I recall correctly, he says that dwarven women disguise themselves as men when they travel abroad. Which would imply that they either grow beards or wear fake ones (possibly evoking the Langobards of Norse legends), unless there are also cleanshaven dwarven men, which the original sentence contradicts.

Now, he does not say that dwarven women cannot or do not have beards. In the same section he specifically calls out that characters of Numenorean or Elven descent cannot grow beards, unless very old (see Cirdan the Shipwright). Which means we cannot assume that by not explicitly saying dwarven women can't grow beards, they weren't bearded.

Ultimately, that's all Tolkien lore noodling on my part, and the decision to not have a bearded dwarven woman for the TV show is likely an aesthetic one.

There were Dwarf women fleeing Smaug in The Hobbit movie and some of them did not have beards, so this will not be the first time on film for that, just the first time a female will be interacted with at all.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

I would love a Turin movie, or a Tuor and the fall of Gondolon movie, or especially a Beren & Luthien movie.

Big fan of crying at the movies, then?

But yeah, same.