How do you handle evil?

[RuinousPowers]

They can't both be The Punisher simultaneously and differently. The MCU version is not the same as the comic version, which you've admitted.

Utterly false. Don't put words in my mouth. Your assumptions of my intentions are pretty bad, so if you're unclear, ask. You're a fan of the real MCU Punisher and that's fine.

Ultimately, though, the difference isn't relevant to this conversation. Both are evil. A serial murderer is evil no matter what his reasons.

Marvel's Multiverse makes it pretty clear that there can be multiple versions of the same character, simultaneously and differently. Which Spider-Man was the real one in the latest movie?

It's pretty explicitly stated in the show that he only "punishes" evil murderers, and that Karen Paige didn't feel threatened by him, even at gun point, so I don't get your "serial murderer" comment. If a person hunts and kills sentient man-eating dragons, does that make him an evil serial murderer too?

 

[le Redoutable]

It's always a shame to lose a life ( because where there's life there's work, and to work produces richness, and silver ( money ) makes up for happyness )

 

[Maxperson]

It's pretty explicitly stated in the show that he only "punishes" evil murderers, and that Karen Paige didn't feel threatened by him, even at gun point, so I don't get your "serial murderer" comment. If a person hunts and kills sentient man-eating dragons, does that make him an evil serial murderer too?

It's murder to kill murderers outside of a lawful execution. And when you're doing it out of some pathological need, you're a serial killer. Just like Dexter who was also evil.

 

[le Redoutable]

could you expand to Judge Dredd please ?

 

[RuinousPowers]

It's murder to kill murderers outside of a lawful execution. And when you're doing it out of some pathological need, you're a serial killer. Just like Dexter who was also evil.

You're talking legality, not morality. And no one was talking about Dexter-a character that changed radically as the show went on from someone who was merely aping human emotions to one who was capable of true love.

What was your answer on my dragonslaying question?

 

[BrokenTwin]

They can't both be The Punisher simultaneously and differently. The MCU version is not the same as the comic version, which you've admitted.

They... can though? Hades in Percy Jackson and the Olympians is a VERY different version of the mythological character than Hades in Disney's Hercules, which is a very different version than Hades in SuperGiantGames' Hades. They're not the same version of the character, but that doesn't mean any of them beyond the original 'worshipped in ancient Greece' (and even that one had a lot of different versions) are fake Hades.

Ultimately, though, the difference isn't relevant to this conversation. Both are evil. A serial murderer is evil no matter what his reasons.

Can't really argue with you here. Personally, every exposure I've had to The Punisher has left me with the impression that he's just a hyper-masculine revenge fantasy with a veneer of Good Guy polish on top to make him acceptable to the masses.

That's one of the issues I have with the whole debate, honestly. What counts a "Good" or "Evil" gets more and more nebulous the further into the weeds you get. Is killing someone evil when you know that killing them will save more lives at that exact moment (killing a suicide bomber before they can detonate)? What about killing someone when you know that killing them will save more lives down the line (killing someone who intends to become a suicide bomber)? On what criteria are you basing that assessment on?

In Frank Castle's case, I could easily argue that the character is evil, as vigilante murder is his immediate solution, and he never seems to actually care about proactively protecting or reforming people, just killing those he decided are bad. He's not motivated by helping people, but hurting them. But then, I can't say that's true of every version of the character.

 

[RuinousPowers]

In Frank Castle's case, I could easily argue that the character is evil, as vigilante murder is his immediate solution, and he never seems to actually care about proactively protecting or reforming people, just killing those he decided are bad. He's not motivated by helping people, but hurting them. But then, I can't say that's true of every version of the character.

I'm not arguing that Castle is a good guy, because he clearly isn't. I am just stating that I don't put "killing murderers" into the alignment category of "evil". Evil, to me, is defined by hurting the innocent and defenseless, which Castle is clearly not doing.

 

[le Redoutable]

I'm not arguing that Castle is a good guy, because he clearly isn't. I am just stating that I don't put "killing murderers" into the alignment category of "evil". Evil, to me, is defined by hurting the innocent and defenseless, which Castle is clearly not doing.

ehhh ! it is good material here
( I wanted to push you all to LE as in Judge Dredd ) ,
if to care for the innocent and helpless is from LG, hence implying there is the opposite,
then LE should use contracts ??

 

[le Redoutable]

( do you notice the difference in intensity level than with most of my posts )
( obviously it is because I dislike being overriden by unknown soldiers )

 

[Maxperson]

You're talking legality, not morality.

The reason it's illegal, is that it's immoral. Murder is immoral, regardless of reason.

And no one was talking about Dexter-a character that changed radically as the show went on from someone who was merely aping human emotions to one who was capable of true love.

I don't believe he ever knew true love. He modeled it after a fashion, but he screwed up things badly for everyone he "loved" because he wasn't capable of true understanding.

What was your answer on my dragonslaying question?

I didn't see it.