D&D General I am so done with kickstarter

[Morrus]

Talking of fast deliveries, ours has just ending and we're sending out the PDFs as I speak!

 

[Nikosandros]

Talking of fast deliveries, ours has just ending and we're sending out the PDFs as I speak!

Yep, just downloaded it!

 

[Nikosandros]

yup I linked to it up thread. It broke me. I have some of the playtest material.

we played a (slightly modified) version of it twice (we tweeked some of the feat things and the 2nd time we used 13th age's esscalation die... including me making enemies and items for players that triggered on 3 and 5 of the die)

2e meets 3e. As much as 4e is my favorite and 5e is my current game... 2e will ALWAYS hold a spot in my heart

edit here it is Myth & Magic Game Master's Guide and Collector's Complete

and I don't have hard feeling for the creator... I understand some personal stuff blew up in his life (and I can relate) I just wish it had gotten going.

Personally, I'm quite mad at the creator of that project. I feel swindled by him.

 

[LordEntrails]

Jumped from a few thousand to a million? There's some space in there

I don't know how this is a meaningful reply to my post.

What type of product (in general, not details) are you wanting to get started with? Because almost every RPG product can be done for a very low initial investment. For example;

An RPG book (rules, expansion, adventure, etc) can all be done with zero cost before a KS project is launched. You can have everything written and then just do the KS to pay for art (if needed) and then deliver it digitally. Or use a POD service to print the low quantity books if you feel a physical product is required, which again doesn't require a large number of sales). Sure, POD is much more expensive, but works well for limited quantities.

A 3D printed product (additive manufacturing) like miniatures or terrain, again, you can completely design these before you do the KS, and if it doesn't reach the goals then only offer the digital models for people to get printed at Shapeways themselves (or just put your product there to start with).

Board games are more problematic, and probably not something you should take on unless you have done project before, and I don't think most people are going to invest in a KS board game from someone who has never done such before (lots of complicated moving parts to produce a board game). Instead, try to do a card game and let people use their own dice.

Or do you have an idea that is completely different?

 

[GM Lent]

I've backed a bunch of Kickstarter, dating back to 2015, and very few delivered on time. A couple are super duper late now (I'm waiting on my Blacklist Fantasy Series 1 miniatures like many of us), and there are two I feel I'll be lucky if I ever see (a gelatinous cube shaped soap block full of dice I was hoping to have as a present for someone last Christmas and Brandon Dixon's Welcome to Tikor setting).

I'm sad about the minis because my kid and I had big plans for them when we ordered them, and also because they'd be perfect for the Tournament of Pigs box set Kickstarter that DID just deliver right on time. But I'll live. A bunch of backers are super pissed about/at Blacklist, but I just can't see the point to that. Of course, I backed their Altar Quest game, which delivered as promised, so they have more credibility to me than they do with some.

What sucks me into Kickstarter, and crowdfunding in general, is the stretch goals. Frankly, if a project doesn't have stretch goals, I'm unlikely to back it unless the cost of backing is is substantially lower than the cost of buying it retail when it comes out. But when there are a bunch of stretch goals that increase the value of the investment, well, you have my attention.

It's worked out well most of the time.

 

[abirdcall]

I've backed a bunch of Kickstarter, dating back to 2015, and very few delivered on time. A couple are super duper late now (I'm waiting on my Blacklist Fantasy Series 1 miniatures like many of us), and there are two I feel I'll be lucky if I ever see (a gelatinous cube shaped soap block full of dice I was hoping to have as a present for someone last Christmas and Brandon Dixon's Welcome to Tikor setting).

I'm sad about the minis because my kid and I had big plans for them when we ordered them, and also because they'd be perfect for the Tournament of Pigs box set Kickstarter that DID just deliver right on time. But I'll live. A bunch of backers are super pissed about/at Blacklist, but I just can't see the point to that. Of course, I backed their Altar Quest game, which delivered as promised, so they have more credibility to me than they do with some.

What sucks me into Kickstarter, and crowdfunding in general, is the stretch goals. Frankly, if a project doesn't have stretch goals, I'm unlikely to back it unless the cost of backing is is substantially lower than the cost of buying it retail when it comes out. But when there are a bunch of stretch goals that increase the value of the investment, well, you have my attention.

It's worked out well most of the time.

I guess the important thing there is to determine that the base offering is worth the money in the first place.

Stretch goals are great marketing and it sounds like a great deal to have a bunch of 'free' stuff added on but I need to want to buy the original offering to feel like I'm getting something free.

 

[CleverNickName]

The author of this thread seems to be confused about "Kickstarter" (the company) and "a Kickstarter" (a project being promoted via Kickstarter.) They are not the same thing.

I won't do business with Kickstarter either, and also because of their recent disposition toward NFTs. But unlike the OP, I really wish I could. I used to back dozens of projects a year, sometimes spending hundreds of dollars in just a few months, and I miss the excitement and energy that comes with helping a small indie publisher reach a goal and get their product out there. There are several awesome Kickstarter-funded projects out there right now, that I would love to get my fingers on. But until I get a concrete NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT, NEVER from them regarding NFTs, I'm having to watch them pass me by. It's not fun.

I was able to participate in the "Old Gods of Appalachia" project because they had an alternate means of support (via the Monty Cook Games website). But unfortunately, not very many projects can promote themselves in such a manner. I'm missing out on a lot of new and exciting stuff.

Friggin' NFTs, I swear.

 

[jgsugden]

...I won't do business with Kickstarter either, and also because of their recent disposition toward NFTs. ....

3 years from now, there will be a limited practical use case for NFTs and a huge swath of pet rock equivallency memes.

 

[GreyLord]

I think it depends on who is doing the Kickstarter on how reliable the Kickstarter is. If it is from someone reliable you will get your stuff, if it isn't, you won't.

I have only had one Kickstarter thus far where I didn't get everything I ordered. Otherwise, normally, as long as I research to find out how reliable they are, I've had great orders all along.

The key is to order and forget. Instead of counting down to when it will come in, focus on other things. It will get here when it gets here.

 

[teitan]

I only ever back Goodman Games consistently and some odd projects here and there. We do a lot of miniatures for STL files but that's for some that we have Patreons for. Goodman just consistently provides products I love so I will give them my money to make something cool like Dying Earth and DCC 100 and hopefully the upcoming Dark Tower (Jenell deserves it, that's a fact) if we can rub the coins together for that one. They do some great deals for early backers and some great stretch goals that add quality to the product. We also backed our first Bones kickstarter with Bones 6... we may never need miniatures again.