D&D 5E What is balance to you, and why do you care (or don't)?

[GMforPowergamers]

Most magic weapons were swords, so no vanilla clerics. I can't account for a player deciding to multi-class.

what do you mean no Vanilla clerics? clerics with the war domain/sphere get long swords

 

[GMforPowergamers]

As has been stated above, this is a solved "problem" as far as the devs are concerned. Your only options are 3rd party or homebrew.

and I am going to fill enworld with my problems (and the surveys) until they realize they are wrong

 

[Zubatcarteira]

we got 1 for non casters... but it's a qusi martial quisi magic class.. I will take it, I am MORE then happy to call Ki martial

You just can't escape the magic, man.

 

[Helldritch]

what do you mean no Vanilla clerics? clerics with the war domain/sphere get long swords

1ed cleric had no sword. Maces and blunt weapons only. Range weapons were limited to... slings. Thus the spell magic stones.
2ed cleric had to be specialty priest (with all the drawbacks and goodies it implied) or be restricted as the cleric above.

and I am going to fill enworld with my problems (and the surveys) until they realize they are wrong

Good luck, I tried that with WotC and got ignored because I am an old grognard.... well young by grognard standards, but a grognard anyways.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

1ed cleric had no sword. Maces and blunt weapons only. Range weapons were limited to... slings. Thus the spell magic stones.

I have never played 1e more then a throw away game (and even then 15ish years ago)

2ed cleric had to be specialty priest (with all the drawbacks and goodies it implied) or be restricted as the cleric above.

and again that is what 22, 25 year old rules? try again

Good luck, I tried that with WotC and got ignored because I am an old grognard.... well young by grognard standards, but a grognard anyways.

I have faith that I am doing okay by new blood standards. I started to see more newbies playing warlocks then fighters before Covid. I think I am on the right side of asking for change with this

 

[GMforPowergamers]

You just can't escape the magic, man.

Do'uh

yeah I am still having an easier time then trying to refluff a rogue mastermind 3 bard valor 7 into a warlord

 

[jmartkdr2]

except again teh fact that the fighter needs special items given by DM to keep up with an out of book caster is a PROBLEM

Only if you don't give out any magic items.

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Only if you don't give out any magic items.

or if you give items, and the party splits them evenly so they all have them...

again you get a +1 sword, what gives the fighter a claim over the hexblade?

now if you put a wand of hex or a scroll of haste those would go to the caster... cause the fighter can't use them, but what makes the sword go to the fighter over the melee caster?

a party of 4 5th level adventurers a weapon master fighter a war cleric a valor bard and a Hex blade.
party finds 3 items. a +1 sword a +1 shield and a wand of cure wounds....

so only 2 party memebers can use the wand, so either cleric or bard gets it. the sword and shield though, what makes the fighter get it over the others? remember they all make 2 melee attacks they all get into melee and 3 of them have cantrips and 3rd level spells and 2 of those have 1st and 2nd level spells too

 

[GMforPowergamers]

Only if you don't give out any magic items.

new game idea

a pact of the tomb infernal lock, a wizard bladesinger, a rogue (assassin) and a cleric of Twilight all find +1 leather of fire resit and a wand of fire balls... the want must go to the inrernal lock or bladesinger... but what about the leather armor? they can all wear it... and with that wand in game that fire resist looks real good

 

[HammerMan]

a party of 4 5th level adventurers a weapon master fighter a war cleric a valor bard and a Hex blade.
party finds 3 items. a +1 sword a +1 shield and a wand of cure wounds....

Imagine how unbalanced that game is if the hex blade gets the shield the valor bard the sword and the priest the wand…

Why aren’t there rules for fighters to get more items?!?!?!?!?!?