Jefe Bergenstein
Legend
Again, its condescending and paternalistic to only give them one flavor (the champion, which is also mechanically sub par and thematically awful), which also locks the fighter out of the "serious player" classes (hey, Gygax's words, not mine).No you can't. There is no counter to the existence of the players I have played with that like simple fighters. You can point to people that don't like simple, but that doesn't negate those that do, so is not a counter.
Nobody is being held hostage. You have a complex Fighter. Make use of it or don't, but don't try to take the simple version away from those that do.
Bad analogies are bad. If there weren't a significant number of people who like simple, there would be no Champion subclass. WotC who as far greater information than you or I do, felt it necessary to invest the design time, playtesting time, and inclusion of the Champion in 5e. There is no "hoping" that they show up. It's a fact that they are already here and playing the game.
No need. They already have the Champion.
This is a completely different issue. You'd have more success trying to get WotC to make a more satisfying non-caster for you than you will in trying to get them to screw paying customers over by altering the Champion subclass to suit your wants.
Honestly, the existence of the champion creates more problems than it solves. It requires the rest of the fighter base class to be dull as dirt. The only reason it exists is because of ancient grognards insisting on "sImPuLL FiTTer!" in the playtest because that's the crappy way D&D has done it since the 70's.
5E's playtest was half assed, and they literally gave up on the fighter before it was done and rushed it out the door because they spent so much time on the real classes (casters). D&D has basically alienated anyone who wants to A) play a simple character that ISNT a fighter and B) anyone who wants a mechanically satisfying non-caster with narrative agency (ie, class based rather than stuff the wizard player can ALSO do). If it's going to be a big tent, then it needs to embrace it. Simple for all tastes, complex for all tastes.
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